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[quote]Salam Nida_e_Khair,

Quote:- I'm extremely sorry, but even though you guys have tried to produce such long and detailed replies, your arguments overall do not make any sense.

[b]Reply:- As you did not understand my reply so you opined this. It is your own shortcomings not truth.[/b]

Quote:- All I'll say is that if 'Rasool' in the Holy Qur'an means 'message' and not 'Muhammad',

Reply:- As I told you above that you did not understand my reply, even you did not read my earlier reply carefully, so you opined this way. I did not say anywhere that ‘Rasool’ means ONLY TO THE ‘MESSAGE’ i.e. QUR’AN. What I had told to you through my post dated 18th July, 2006 is as follows;

[b]“Those who know Arabic well, know that the word (Rasool) in Arabic means both 
the messenger and the message. So, when God says , obey the (Rasool) , He 
means both the messenger and the message (QURAN). Both are inseparable. When the messenger, the human being is dead, the true messenger among us becomes the message itself, in this case, the QURAN. God Almighty has called the Quran (Rasool) on many occasions, e.g., 5:15, 11:1-3, 14:1, 27:2, 32:3, 34:6, 42:52, & 65:11”.[/b]

Quote:- then when Allah says, "We've not sent you except as a mercy to all the worlds", what does He mean? Isn't He addressing Muhammad (SAW)? Who else could be a mercy to the whole of humanity?

Reply:- [b]How can Muhammad(pbuh) be a mercy after his death. He is dead for us, but his message is alive among us as mercy.[/b]

Quote:- And if Muhammad (SAW) was a universal 'mercy', it's obvious that he was a universal preacher and "Rasool" (messenger).

Reply:- [b]Muhammad as a messenger and his message i.e. Qur’an was both the mercy for us. When Muhammad, the messenger, the human being is dead, the true mercy among us becomes the Qur’an, the message of Muhammad(pbuh).[/b]

Quote:- If he were of no use, if his sayings and Sunnah did not matter to anyone, why would he have been termed as "mercy"?

Reply:- [b]How could you conclude that  as Muhammad was ‘mercy’, so we should definitely follow his hadith & sunnah(fabricated), which have no mention in the Nobel Qur’an?[/b]

You at first quoted the verse ‘Obey God and Obey Messenger’ to prove your point that ‘Obey God’ means Obey Almighty God and Qur’an’ and ‘Obey Messenger’ means Obey his sayings & sunnah. When you have failed to prove your point from the above verse then again you picked up another verse from the Qur’an i.e. where Muhammad called as ‘Mercy’ and tried to prove again your point immaturely. Haa….ha..

I am not surprised because this is the character of traditionalists.

Quote:- If you still wanna argue, then lakum deenukum wa liya deen. There's no compulsion in religion.

Reply:- [8D][:o)][8D]brother I did not argue with you, rather you are arguing with me immaturely.

Samsher.[/quote]

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