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[quote]Walaykum Salam Perv 1

Quote:-I think the elephant story is going in circles and you appear to be backtracking as to what you meant. I dont think much more can be gained from this.

Reply: -There is some thing in the story but your angle of seeing is different.

Quote:-After all this we finally begin to get to the point. You now accept that some hadith (exact number is irrelevent) are wrong and yet still insist that hadith should be the source for deen (we obviousouly have different idea os deen-I believe in deen which I believe is 100% truthful)

Reply: -There is no question about the sayings and actions of Prophet (pbuh) are 100% truthful from its origon. The earlier scholars already classified the status of all ahadith, which we found today. If you don’t trust the scholars than there only one choice left for you to study all the ahadith by your self and then comments. As I said and your self also said the similar thing that without seeing the whole picture don’t comment on it negatively.

Allah wants us to follow and obey the prophet (pbuh). Allah is fully aware about the status of ahadith in our time. If the status of ahadith what we have found today is in that bad shape (Nauzobillah) that this could not be followed any longer then surely He never declare in Quran that Muhammad (pbuh) is the last Prophet and rather He should send more Prophets to rectify the Ahadith.He is All Wise All Mighty.
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Say: Obey Allâh and the Messenger, but if they turn their backs, Allâh loves not the disbelievers. (3:32)

Obeying Allah is obeying Quran, The (and) between Allah and Messenger is clearly showing that here Allah is not referring to Quran, this must be some thing else. Tell me what is this some other than Quran which one should follow beside the Quran? How serious the issue is that if you turn backs then you could be a disbeliever. How can people slept over it?

Don’t to forget that only few Prophets are given the books of Allah.Most of the Prophets (Peace be upon them all) were came with out any book of Allah.People used to follow them without Allah book even after His death.

The other verses of Quran which I have quoted in my earlier post, are also have more or less same messeges. Please read them again, and after reading them again we will found that, how important is for us to follow the commandments of Prophet (pbuh)  [which Prophet (pbuh) gave in 23 years of His Prophetic life].

Quote: -See if you can see the connection between this and the quote from you that I have highlighted!

Reply:-I am unable to see any connection, you may elaborate more on the connection for me if there is any.

Quote: -Your reference from the Quran does not mean what you imply as you yourself have stated that word hadith is not mentioned anywhere in your reference.

Reply: -You tell me please how else we can obey and follow the Prophet (pbuh) because this Allah said not my self. What will be any one’s answer to Allah if He ask him why don’t you follow the Prophet (pbuh)?

Quote:-I will try to help you out. The word hadith is mentioned over 20 times.

This is not related to the topic we are discussing here, the word hadith is not mentioned in the verses I have quoted.Its only the name for the record of sayings and actions of Prophet (pbuh). Its also called Sunnah.

Allah Hafiz[/quote]

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