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[quote]Salamm Usmani 790.

My friend like hadiths that you support you are becoming very contradictory. I will give you simple examples of your own words.

First though some assumptions on my part and please correct me if I am wrong:-

(1) Am I correct that during this very lengthy debate you have vigorousouly defended the hadith as a part of islam

(2) You have accused me of misunderstanding the haidth by not having studied the hadith. (Although you have no idea and i do not recall telling you or anyone else that I have not studied the hadith in detail, in fact the only comment I made was that I rejected them as mere teenager-see if you can draw any conclusion from this).
Your logic on this has been that i cannot make a negative comment regarding hadith as I dont fully know them.  Therefore my friend you will agree that by same logic you will accept that I cannot defend something truthfully if I dont know it well or fully- yes agreed. 
Please feel free to tell me if you disagree with this reasoning.
Using this logic here some of your quotes

[quote] Sir I never claim that I understand the deen so well infect I only know a little about the deen. [/quote]

My friend am I right to assume that you are being honest bove.

And then you state:

[quote] So brother ahadith is a vast subject. I know here in Pakistan people who went to Darul uloome, they have to study straight eight years to achieve the knowledge to Quran, Ahadith and fiqa(Drss-e-Nizami). After achieving this and if the person remain in this field so he used to always keep in though with Quran and Ahadith and he always keep in touch with others seniors and spend quite a good time of his life in this field. [b]This person only considered a reliable fellow who understood the Quran and Ahadith and can say that he has seen the whole picture [/quote]

I look forward to your explanation of the above.

I will briefly address some of your other points:

Following the messange does not mean follow the hadith. It means follow what God has revealed to the messanger- which implies all the Gods messangers not just Mohd. If you want to follow Prophet Mohd then follow the Quran(Gods word via prophet Mohd)-not CONTRADICTORY MAN MADE HADITH.

The story was to illustrate that the man had established that the woman was of low moral character who would sell her body for money, price was not an issue of morality.
therefore  on that basis YOU YOURSELF HAVE ACCEPTED THAT HADITHS ARE CONTRADICTORY (correct me if i am wrong). Contradiction=lie. Therefore the fact that some hadith may contain truths or words of wisdom do not take away that they contains lies (the amount and degree is irrelevent). Do you now understand the connection of the story!

I gave you just [b]2[/b]references from the Quran which contains the word hadith. You did not even vaguely try to explain what these mean.

We can discuss numerous other hadiths and quranic refeences but we will go through few points at a time to keep things simple.
regards[/quote]

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