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[quote]Salam Sahira, Quote:- My question is for brother shamsher, i would like to know why you do not belive in the hadiths, apart from your obvious reply it being man made, why do you not belive in it. REPLY :- BECAUSE ALMIGHTY ALLAH FORBADE US FROM TAKING IT AS OUR RELIGIOUS SOURCE. Our religious source is only Nobel Qur’an and nothing else. The following verses confirm that the Quran is fully detailed and that it incorporates all matters : [red]"We did not leave anything out of this book.” 6:38[/red] [blue]”Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114[/blue] [red]”The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.” 6:115[/red] [green]”This is not fabricated ‘hadith’; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a guidance and mercy for those who believe.” 12:111[/green] [red]”We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance and mercy and good news for the submitters.” 16:89[/red] In spite of the very clear words : “fully detailed”, “details of everything” and “explanations for everything” the corrupted interpreters will claim that the Quran does not cover the details !!!! Sadly, they claim that the Quran has only mentioned the major outlines of the religion while as the details of everyday rituals are only to be found in the Sunna! These corrupted beliefs only go to expose these people’s ignorance of the Quran. God has proclaimed that the Quran is perfect, fully detailed and complete. [u]All those who believe that the Quran does not include all the details of the religion or those who believe that the Quran is ambiguous .... etc ...., do not really believe the words of God in the Qur’an.[/u] [u]Now I urge you IF YOU WILL SHOW ME ANY VERSE FROM THE QUR’AN IN SUPPORT OF THESE (fabricated)HADITH, I assure you I shall InshAllah believe on these hadith.[/u] [b]Could you please show me this?[/b] Quote:- The hadiths as i see it is just telling us in detail about the life of the Prophet pbuh it tells how the Prophet pbuh practiced the commands of Allah SWT which were given to him through revelations. we all agree the Quran is complete, but does not the hadiths co-inside with the quran? just giving us fuller details on how best to carry out acts? or just follow the acts by the best example to mankind the Prophet PBUH?. REPLY:- The Nobel Qur’an is [u]NOT ONLY COMPLETE but it also FULLY DETAILED & FULLY EXPLAINED (see above the quranic verses).[/u] [red]It will not make any sense that a book, which has already been fully detailed & explained by Allah, requires extra some other outside source(s) to make it further detail!!! [/red] [b]We learn from 18:109 that “If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply.” It’s not like He could not have given us more – more detail, more laws, more commandments.[/b] [red]If anything extra would require for our salvation then Almighty Allah definitely would have given this in HIS Qur’an.[/red] [b]Fully detailed means FULLY DETAILED, no Ifs no Buts. [/b] By the way I asked you a question. Please answer this to me in a straight way; [u]“Where did you find in the Qur’an that Muhamma commanded his people to take these hadith (fabricated) besides Qur’an as religious source of Islam OR explanation of Qur’an”?[/u] Please give me only reference. Quote:- Hadiths is man made its true but alot ofstuff that is in the hadiths comes from the quran only difference being it goes into more depth, it shows us mere mortals how best to carry out acts of worship or things that affect everyday life for a muslim. REPLY:- Why do you so anxious for those hadith which came from the Qur’an? Why do you feel that it requires for your salvation when the idea has already been given in detail in the qur’an? If you read Qur’an, you can get the idea completely. 2ndly, I told you that quran claims that It is FULLY DETAILED & EXPLAINED IN DETAI and if anything extra would require for our salvation, then Almighty Allah could have given in the Qur’an. [b]So your thinking “….it goes into more depth…” is meaningless[/b]. Quote:- Sunnah started from the days of Prophet Abrahim AS, which has been passed down from generation to genration, untill it came down to the last messenger Prophet Mohammed PBUH who then re-instated some things,ultered others and brought in more stuff that Allah SWT commaneded him to do so. so then why before the prophet PBUH was sunnah accpeted after all it was man made meaning after the Prophet Abrahim AS people continued the sunnah from generation to generation on what basis, their great great grnadfathers use to do it? REPLY:- Brother, [b]what is your religious CRITERION(FURQAN)?[/b] Is it not the Nobel Qur’an? [u]If yes, then please give me any single reference from the Qur’an in support of your gossip i.e. “which has been passed down from generation to genration, untill it came down to the last messenger ????? Prophet Mohammed PBUH……. their great great grnadfathers use to do it”.[/u] Another thing,suppose I accept your passed down theory, then please tell me ‘[u]how can you be sure that no corruption could enter into these passed down theory’?[/u] Brother, at first at least you say me that [u]‘where in the Qur’an you found Abraham’s sunnah or Prophet Muhammad’s sunnah’?[/u] Quote:- It was passed down from word of mouth, also through other messengers, there was no Quran sharif then, so why did people follow it. REPLY:- [u]Brother, do you think that Qur’an Sharif is the only scripture, which Almighty Allah sent to mankind??? Do you think that people of Abraham, Moses, Jesus would follow man made saying of those prophets(called hadith)as their religious source???[/u] [b]All the Prophets were sent with Scriptures.[/b] [5:48] [red]Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. [b][red]FOR EACH OF YOU, WE HAVE DECREED LAWS AND DIFFERENT RITES[/red]. [/b] HAD GOD WILLED, HE COULD HAVE MADE YOU ONE CONGREGATION. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.[/red] [b]Conclusion:-[/b] The debate reached at 34 pages and at this stage some one asked me that “why do you not believe in hadith besides Qur’an”? Very nonsensical question. Brother you should read all my posts from page 1 to 34 and after reading those, if you have anything new to ask, then you may ask this, I shall inshaAllah try to give my reply to the same on the basis of Qur’an. But one thing you should remember, [red]if you had already took your decision that hadith(other than Qur’an, which is fabricated)should be regarded as religious source, then brother don’t ask me any question, because it will be of no useful to reply that question.[/red] Peace. Samsher.[/quote]
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