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[quote]Marwan, Upon your insistence, I read your paper again. In summary, I agree with prev1, that you confuse what is fact and what is your logic. When you fail to bring evidence, you use your logic. And human logic is prone to error. Your whole argument that the head must be covered rests on one big assumption. And you have not given any evidence to corroborate this assumption. [quote] Women are told to use their head coverings to cover over their bosoms. This would imply that it is now covering the head and the sides of the face and has its end wrapped around her neck so that the ends of the veil cover her bosoms. [/quote] The assumption is that when the verse came to use head covering (khimar) to cover bossom, the head used to be covered by the woman. You say in your paper that it is a logical assumption. I do not agree with this. I do not see any logic that the women of that time were walking with bossom uncovered while the head was covered! The verse to cover the bosom came because it was not properly covered. These women, out of convenience perhaps for breast feeding their babies, used to wear long open necked dresses. And Allah knows best. The onus is on you to prove your assumption is correct - you cannot merely say it is logical. First of all, it is not logical, second to make it a proper argument, you should present evidence rather than relying on your 'logic'. When a debater does not have evidence, then he/she starts relying on logic. Once again I iterate, the ayat came to ask them to cover their bossom, not their heads. The assumption that the head was already covered should be proved with evidence and not logic. [quote] To say that you are not told to cover your head is also disingenuous, because if you are told to cover your bosoms with your head covering (within the context of modesty), it is taken for granted that you are covering your head, so there is no need to explicitly state it. [/quote] Again and again you make the same assumption in your paper! You say it is taken for granted. How is that taken for granted? You say there is no explicit need to say the head should be covered (because you assume it already was). If your assumption is false, then then your argument breaks down. [quote] The Qur’an makes the practice of the headscarf covering the head and the bosoms into a rule. [/quote] Based on your assumption, you make something a rule, that you admit is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. Is that not like bidda? Allah knows best your intentions. [quote] This is to make the woman recognizable as a Muslim woman * And this will be across time and cultures, so the argument that women will dress according to times or in a manner suitable to the times is false. * This is the command of Allah not a culturally variable tradition. [/quote] Infact it seems that it is indeed a culturally variable tradition. It seems you are not knowledgeable of the context of the verse. There were pious ladies, and there were prostitutes working in harems, owned by immoral men. The men who used to visit these brothels, used to flirt with the prostitutes. These immoral men started harassing the pious women also. The verse was revealed to clearly differentiate the pious believing women from the prostitutes, so the pious women would be left alone and not harassed. All this makes the verse more prone to a cultural interpretation. If today a Muslim woman walks down the road in niqab in America or Europe, she is more likely to be harassed, because she stands out in the crowd. Allah's verse clearly says the purpose is to prevent the woman being harassed. If the purpose is not being acheived by head covering, but rather it is causing the reverse effect, then it should be taken in a cultural and time specific manner. Allah desires ease of religion for His slaves, not harshness. In respect to month of Ramadan, Allah says: Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty (2.185) Hijab should not be used as a tool to make the life of a believer difficult. If it does not serve the purpose it is intended for, then it should be used in a time and place where it does serve the purpose. [quote] And to help decrease the chance of her being annoyed/hurt. Annoyed why? Obviously due to the men who would desire them if they saw the beauty of the women. Feminists may not like accepting this reality, but that is their problem. [/quote] You make it sound like it is the woman's fault that the man desires her lustfully. Are you blaming the woman for the man's crime? Also you failed to mention in your paper how it is fair that given men and women both have equal sexual impulses, that only women have to go through extra steps? Are you implying Islam is not fair to women? Do not women have the same sexual desires, infact they are also attracted by handosome men. Example of Yusuf (a.s.) is there in the Quran, when Aziz's wife Zuleikha chased Yusuf (a.s.) in her desire and ripped his shirt. I have presented my case to you. What is important is not that who is correct and who is wrong, but what is important is that we respect each other like brothers and discuss the issues peacefully. Allah knows best.[/quote]
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