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[quote]Salaam marwan

[quote]  I don't feel like teaching you. [/quote]

Without being offensive your arrogance is breathtaking.

If there is to be a meaning discussion (or in your case teaching the ignorant souls like me) you have to be clear what you are talking about. That is why at the very beginning i asked you define what you mean by Capitalism and materialism. If your understandin of these is exact opposite then we can go around in circles disagreeing on subject when in essence we might be in agreement. However our disagreement arises from the fact we have differnt understanding of the word. Some word are very clear and there can be no disputing there meaning e.g. physically dead, I think there can be broad agreemnt on this. 
If however you are discussing very simple word like doing good. On the surface it might seem a straight forward word who can object to doing good. But it all depends on who you are discussing it with and what is your definition of good. Let us for example say you discuss this with a American neo con... His idea of good may be to spread christianity and punish those he considers non believers and may feel it is good to bomb and kill muslims because they are non believers. I am certain that would not be your idea of doing good!
Therefore your idea that somehow people can somehow acquirie materialistic things without desire just beggars belief. Whether I desired a car or miraculously appeared in my possession is irrelevent the end result is the same. 
If I have time later today I will explain to you in ABC manner why materialism may actually be a very Islamic concept.

You have used words like capitalism etc without really having the understanding or explaining what you mean.
OK let me give you another simple political example. The communist regimes such as the old Soviet Union all considerd themself as Socialists. Also Tony Blair also considered himself a Socialist. Do you think they believed in the same philosophy. I am sure some of the right wingers in the USA probably viewed Clintons as socialists.

Cliches are very dangerous and make too many generalisations.

Having siad all that. You might find that if you consider what we actually believe as muslims you might find that our views may not be too disimilar but you have to be very clear what you mean as very simple words may have very opposite meaning for individuals.
Believe it or not when you first posted on this forum I was very impressed with your views... however it does not mean we have to agree on everything.... however it is silly to appear to be disagreeing when we cannot accurately define what we are discussing. I am soory if there are any mistakes or ramblings i am in bit of rush so have not checked properly.
regards[/quote]

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