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[quote]salaam all. Sorry i am not a fan of long articles but I seem to problem getting across issues re - materialism and capitalism so here is a quick article I havecompiled. please note... i can't believe I have [quote] to say this again... PLEEEAAAASSEEE NOTE!!!!!!!!!! I distinguish between the philosophy of materialism and the ownership of material objects. [/quote] Let us see if you can see the hypocrisy of the above statement from what i have written below. [quote] So owning a car does not make a philosophical materialist. [/quote] Why not, it is material possession. So I see someone who threatens to kill is worst than someone who actually kills! [quote] Being a Muslim and desiring most of all the acquisition of material things in dunya makes you materialistic (as in acting LIKE you are a philosophical materialist), makes you misguided and possibly a mushrik. Being a hedonist means that one worships his or her own desires. Such a person seeks for the things that please them apart from morality, revelation or anything else. Such people are generally materialists. [/quote] Ok tell me what you disagree with my remarks regarding why you are in Ireland. If you are there for material gain does this make you mushrik? [quote] But just wanting or getting something that one may like does not make one a hedonist. If you don't know why the distinction exists, I don't feel like teaching you. [/quote] Might be because you have not a clue? [quote] please think before asking anymore [/quote] It would be a good idea if all the muslims starting thinking a litte more and get out of their holier than thou attitude. MATERIALISM:- To me means desire for material things. As far as I can accurately recall I have not personally come across anyone who has zero desire for material things. There are many who claim that they have no desire for material possession just spirituality. However I have in practice found these people just as materialistic as any other. Because they in their own way try to earn money, whether by work or other means and often their material possessions, whether it is goods or simply money is limited by their earning capacity. It is not, for me anyway, to measure peoples desires but the result of their actions and desires. Let us take this forum for example, I am going to make few generalizations and assumptions here, there are very many who are at present in the Western countries and they predominantly originate from the Indian subcontinent. O.K. Let us be even more specific. My friend Marwan who has been so critical of the materialism. He originates (unless he is a Irish convert & I am making an assumption that he is not a convert) from a Muslim country and he is in Ireland. So from this I deduce that he is in Ireland to work because, what ever line of work, he is likely to be paid more than his country of origin. Does this not fit in with materialistic philosophy? As if he is in the Southern part he will be predominantly amongst the Catholics and in the North both the Protestants and Catholics so my conclusion from this is that he is not in Ireland for spiritual reasons. I could be completely wrong and he is welcome to correct me. Also my understanding of the politics is that both the Irelands are capitalistic societies so it is unlikely that he is there for political reasons for we know his political views regarding capitalism. So the only inference I can draw from this is that he is in Ireland at present for materialistic gain in a society whose political system he openly abhors. Is materialism against Islam? Most people are in infinitely different occupations to acquire material wealth. Some are more successful than others. Whatever nature of ones work it enables individuals to gather material wealth i.e. money. They have many options with this money. I will just touch on few. (i) They can horde it and be of little use to themselves or anyone else. (ii) Give it to a lazy so called religious person who has never done a days work, but has been applying the philosophy that to him spiritualism is more important than materialism and has spent most of his time in prayer. Obviously he/she also needs food, clothes, shelter etc to survive so is dependant on charity of others. Although the Quran is clear that the learned is far more important in the eyes of the Lord than he who spends all the time in prayer. Learned is not just someone who studies the Quran 0nly. Learned is a teacher, doctor, lawyer, philosopher etc. (iii) Or one can go and spend this money and buy a material possession. Let us for example say a carpet (not something essential for survival). Buying this carpet will set off a chain reaction where that particular expenditure may benefit hundreds or even thousands of people. The money is spent in a shop (shopkeeper and his employees), shopkeeper buys from a ware house, warehouse guys buys from a factory, factory employs workers & buys material from St elsewhere…….. so the chain goes on and on and different people benefit (to a varying degree). This my friends is a very Islamic concept because there is no hording and acquisition of material things benefits the whole society. CAPITALISM:- Simplified it means to be able carry out free trade. If my history is correct to whom the Quran, initially, was revealed was a business man. Also I am not aware that the Quran puts any restriction in how much material wealth you can gain from business. Can anyone tell me how capitalism is different from the Islamic system. Please do not confuse unpleasant humans who use any system for oppression and evil ideology, because these are present in all forms of system. regards[/quote]
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