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[quote][quote]Oh dear Nida, how could I make you understand that status and legal rights of an individual are not contradictory to kindness (Ehsan) and compassion.[/quote]

Actually that is bull.  In the Qur’an Allah tells us to release “slaves” and to spend money in the freeing of slaves.

If you say to someone that I respect you and will respect you as a human, and then tell them, you are my slave and you have no choice but to do as I say and stay my property.  Thats a contradiction.

Present the Qur’anic evidence for your conception of the slave in the Qur’an.

[quote] In fact Islam orders you to observe justice with kindness (Adl wal Ehsan). Islam ordains you to be kind to the animals even and there are secular laws also about preventing cruelty to animals. But this does not mean that they have any legal rights which can be agitated in a court of law.[/quote]

This is an irrelevant analogy, as in no way does Allah compare the human and muslim to an animal and the rights of an animal.  But this is to be expected of you, you have no logic.

[quote] In fact the concept of human rights has  a a very recent origin which has lead to prohibition of the institution of slavery altogether even in the Islamic Constitution of Pakistan.[/quote]

Nope, human rights were the from the revelation of the Qur’an, a long time before the Magna Carta.  Present your evidence for your statements.

[quote] One can understand the difficulty to reconcile the concepts prevalent in a pre-Islamic slave-owning society of 14 centuries ago for the people with the mind-set of 21st century human rights.[/quote]

Typical tilawat, degrading the Qur’an and islam as a 7th century religion for smelly backward arabs, not compatible with the enlightened secular modern man.  This is the disgusting attitude that tilawat had nida, read his/her other posts and my repose to them in other forums here.

[quote]You just read the story of Hazrat Yousaf, a prophet-slave, in the Quran and see what was the status of the slaves in those days.[/quote]

Whats the point?  Allah was telling us of this incident, not telling us that slavery was good.  He was not a prphet slave, he was a chosen man of Allah who was enslaved and who Allah FREED by his will.

[quote] No body questioned Zulekhah having sexual desire for his slave but the latter was incarcerated for no fault of his.[/quote]

Who?
 [quote]Again Hazrat Younas was thrown in the sea only on the suspicion that he was a run-away slave. Afala Tadabiroon.[/quote]

Really?  Where is this stated in the Qur’an?

Go back to you atheist and secualr friends tilawat…

2:14. when They meet those who believe, They say: "We believe;" but when They are alone with their evil ones, They say: "We are really with you: we (were) only jesting."
2:15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope In their trespasses; so They will wander like blind ones (to and fro).

salaam

Edited by: marwan on Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:02 AM[/quote]

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