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[quote]salam brother usmani

Many thanks for your detailed  reply.

Just one thing, brother, with due respect.If the starting point of discusison is "I am right an you are wrong" then the purpose of debate is lost.As I see it, I would like to exchange and discuss my views and question other people's views.I hope I can learn with an open mind.

I have posted my understanding and defination of Sunnah and Hadith. I would be grateful if you could define sunnah and hadith, according to your understanding.

The two additional sources of religion of shariah mentioned by you are ijmmah and ijtehad.

Regarding ijmmah,when and about what? if today the ummah developed ijmmah that eating non halal meat is ok, will it become an acceptable practice or part of religion. Why did Allah give us Divine guidance, if ummah could formulate regulation by consensus?
Shiaats belief in hadith source, that says Prophet PBUH said three times namaz, even without travel or war, so they say zuhr and asr together and maghrib and Isha together.Are we saying that ijmmah of scholars of a different sects, defining regulations for their individual sects.All these sects produce ahadith supporting their views, so are we saying a different regulation for different sects.

If we accept this then the value and importance of Qur'an is compromised.

Ijtehaad, can be used to find answers for simple queries, but not  formulate shariah. For example. what we recite in namaz in third and four rakaats after Fatiha. There is no concrete guidance. some will say fatiha is enough others will say add some other verses after Fatiha as we do in the first two rakaats. Ijtihaad may mean one person doing something and the other doing another according to their understanding. Are we saying that our religion shariah is so flexiable and accepts different variants for different individuals.

In my very limited understanding, Allah has not created man blind and ignorant. Divine guidance has been given in those matters  where there was a need that human beings will find difficulties in finding solution him self. When we look at Shariah, the Qur'an has given extreme punishments for 5 important crimes.

According to sister Nida, ijtehaad in itself can only take place when their is ijmmah.Thus in practical reality their is no ijtehaad but ijmmah.

Let us look at our participants of forum, we seem to have three main schools of thought.

1. those who think hadith can be used to determine shariah and regulations.

2. Those who totally nagate hadith.

3. Those who believe that the source of religion is QUr'an and sunnah and hadith is the historical record of Prophet PBUH life, likes and dislikes, and provides explanations given by prophet PBUH of QUr'an and sunnah.

So my very dear brother in Islam where is the ijmmah of the ummah on hadith and its authority.Which is a prerequisite of your defination.

I think, if we tried to define sunnah, we will find we may have different definations, may be even different list of sunnah, in this forum we have participants who believe that sunnah is not essential and believe in Qur'an solely.

Allah knows best[/quote]

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