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[quote]brother Usmani salam You have asked me where it says in Qur'an that it is a source of deen. I do not understand, What do we think Qur'an is then? WHat do we think it contains? Who are those instructions for. It is God Who has sent down the Book in truth that is the Mizan…….. (42:17) Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan to His servant that it may be an admonition to the people of the world. (25:1) surah Ibrahim verse 1 (O'Prophet) we have given you this Book so that you can bring people from out of (spiritual) darkness into (spiritual)light. Secondly, can you share with us the list of what you think is Sunnah of the Prophet Pbuh. Thirdly! the issue that I have is the authencity, reliability, contradictions, diversity and the manner of collection and making it a source of deen. Hadith is khabar i wahad. so ONE PERSON says for example the prophet pbuh said eating something is haram. THis is not mentioned in Qur'an. This is not written in the time of the prophet pbuh, but many years later, this information is passed down 4,6 8 chains of narrations of one person each. Now , I am being asked to accept this as deen. Then I find that shiaat and sunni have their own hadith and the followers of different sects and imams accept only certain hadith. My understanding is that deen is an abad i hidayat. Allah would not transmit deen i haq this way. We may agree to disagree on this. I saw the book of kitab i fazayal for tablighi jammat, based on ahadith. They have contributions from the prophet pbuh, if you read these three surah 10 times , you will get reward as if you have fasted for 30 years . In other words, I do not need to fast again for the rest of my life. When you say Obey Allah and obey the prophet pbuh, If for example a muslim was 100% sure that something was said by prophet pbuh and instructed as part of deen, then it becomes compulsary to follow. You have not grasped the issue where we disagree. My respected brother in Islam! you initilly stated that 0.0000001% of ummah fagrees with Javaid Ghamidhi,now you are asking about 5 scholars. Well there are scholars of Islam that have studied and completed their studies in Islam and have TV programmes that agree with the Understanding-Islam approach started by Farahi and Islahi. They have degrees and qualifications but then you will say in your opinion you do not accept their qualifications or degrees. I must clarify here I do not follow Javaid Ghamidhi. I am interested in reading about any good scholar of Islam and I respect anyone who strives in the path of Islam.I would appreciate haq irrespective of its source. Javaid Ghamidhi is a human being and has faults and limitations. This is not a new sect. It is a thought process and approach to understand Islam, not started by him but Farahi and Islahi. I read Moudoodi, Dr Israr, Waheeduddin Khan.and we must respect these people who have dedicated their lives for Islam. Javaid Ghamidhi has been a part of Islamic nazriati council, he has been on TV in Pk. his institution currently has 5 different web sites, organisational work is being undertaken in UK and teh web sites have members all ove rthe world. The problem that I see my very respected brotehr in Islam is that Ghamidhi, will appeal to a selected audiance. He believes in questioning teh authencity and also rationale and logic. He is against sufism and blind following. He encourages his students to question and disagree with him. He is the only scholar that I know, who tells his students to go and listen to other scholars too and do not become " kuneey key mendak" "frogs of the same watering hole". The reason that he is disliked is that he wants to seperate religion from culture. He wants to concentrate on the purpose of religion, the essence of prayers, not whether your shalwar is of a certain length. The problem that people have today, is that we are brought up in a scociety and culture of pre formed ideas.We percieve truth , from these pre formed ideas. Any thing that is different, is wrong, becasue so and so says so. We need to have the strength and ability to break these pre formed bounderies to our thinking, and we may see things differently. What I am saying is that truth does not have to be of a certain colour only to be truth. Brother! let me first in saying that I am not and will never say that I am right and everyone else is wrong. What I find in the forum is that whenever someone has a different opinion, we jump and say he is an idol worshipper and ....... ( I do not mean you personally brother). Let us all pledge to be the followers of truth and seek the path of truth. Let us ask Allah to show us all the right path and the strength to adhere to it.I strongly believe that who seek truth with a pure heart will find it. If you are comfortable with what you know, alhamdulilah! may Allah give you more knowledge and strength, my only request is never shut the door . At present , this is what I believe in, but I pray to Allah to show me the right path, if it is something different then direct me to it. I may be wrong but Aristotle was asked about what is dear to him the most He replied." Socrates is dear but truth is dearer" ( I may have muddled the two other way around). This my dear and respected brother in islam should be the approach of a true believer (in my opinion). If I have transgressed the bounderies of religion or offended you I apologise. Allah knows best.[/quote]
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