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[quote]brother Waseem Walikum Salam Quote:-You have asked me where it says in Qur'an that it is a source of deen. I do not understand, What do we think Qur'an is then? WHat do we think it contains? Who are those instructions for. Same words can also be used for ahadith but you are un-necessarily making it way of transmission irreliable.Brother I have full trust on Allah and Quran and what its says each and every of its words.May be I am wrong but how you appear on the issue of ahadith,I felt that you do not have such trust on Allah and Quran which one Muslim must have. Brother firstly you are seeing religion with the eyes of Javaid sahib’s school and with your own intellect.You need to develop you own school which must be based on Quran and Sunnah (Authentic ahadith) only and used you intellect to leave it whoever says and what so ever if it apper good but if goes agaisnt Quran and Sunnah(Authentic ahadith) Quote:-Secondly, can you share with us the list of what you think is Sunnah of the Prophet Pbuh. It is not possible for me do present the list of Sunnah here.Every authentic hadith for the following for ummah is Sunnah.It is not necessary that every Sunnah must be obligatary nature. Quote:-Thirdly! the issue that I have is the authencity, reliability, contradictions, diversity and the manner of collection and making it a source of deen. Hadith is khabar i wahad That’s where I find you are doing mistake, thinking that every hadith is Khabar-ul-Wâhid.How can you think like that just because your own self or only Javaid Ahmad Saheb amoungst the scholars in this planet says so and not giving any importance to what a very big majority of scholars classfying ahadith diffrently?.That includes Maulana Maudoodi Saheb,Muti Taqi Usmani Saheb,Muti Muneeb-ur-Rehman,Yousuf estes,Dr.Farhat Hashmi(Phd on Ahadith).These all Scholars defined Sunnah as I had defined earlier.You name a scholar of this height and you will find that he won’t look on ahadith like you are looking.I will request you to visit the following link of an article written by Mufti Taqi Usmani.Please see what he has to say for the Preservation of Sunnah. The Preservation of Sunnah It is totally wrong to say that the sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was compiled for the first time in the third century. In fact, the compilation had begun in the very days of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) as we shall see later, though the compilations in a written form were not the sole measures adopted for the preservation of the sunnah. There were many other reliable sources of preservation also. In order to understand the point correctly we will have to know the different kinds of the sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh). http://www.ccminc.faithweb.com/iqra/articles/authsun/chap3.html Quote:-so ONE PERSON says for example the prophet pbuh said eating something is haram. THis is not mentioned in Qur'an. This is not written in the time of the prophet pbuh, but many years later, this information is passed down 4,6 8 chains of narrations of one person each. Now , I am being asked to accept this as deen. Brother you can one ignore every one on that but how can you ignore Allah Him self.When Allah Him said that what Prophet(pbuh) says follow it.My dear brother it will amount to negating the divine wisdom, because it is in no way a wise policy once its establish through Quran that what Prophet says for the following of ummah is deen on the other hand and make its discovery impossible.Such a policy cannot be attributed to Allâh, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise Now the things you have mentioned regarding the ahadith are not written in the time of the Prophet(pbuh) and its transmission.Firstly I would say that you are assuming things or just believing on some one blindly.If you will see the article above certainly it will help you to understand it better. Quote:-I saw the book of kitab i fazayal for tablighi jammat, based on ahadith. They have contributions from the prophet pbuh, if you read these three surah 10 times , you will get reward as if you have fasted for 30 years . In other words, I do not need to fast again for the rest of my life. Brother the source of knowledge what we have from Quran and through Prophet(pbuh) are some thing beyond the humen capacity.What is our believe that there is another life where we have to life forever .This could be as difficult to believe and understand for a person who did not have faith.That’s why I feel that there is need for us to join the gathering of some learned people who can give us answers of our questions and remove our misconception regarding the authenticity of ahadith and many other issues of deen. Quote:-When you say Obey Allah and obey the prophet pbuh, If for example a muslim was 100% sure that something was said by prophet pbuh and instructed as part of deen, then it becomes compulsary to follow. You have not grasped the issue where we disagree. Brother main hardle of this “100% sure “ is mainly your wrong concept regarding the preservation of ahadith.When this will resolved, I hope the overall issue of ahdith will be more easier to understand. Quote:-My respected brother in Islam! you initilly stated that 0.0000001% of ummah fagrees with Javaid Ghamidhi,now you are asking about 5 scholars. Well there are scholars of Islam that have studied and completed their studies in Islam and have TV programmes that agree with the Understanding-Islam approach started by Farahi and Islahi. They have degrees and qualifications but then you will say in your opinion you do not accept their qualifications or degrees. I was talking about the most famous scholars like I gave five names above.Ok you can give even the past famous scholars names.My small study show that four great Imans of Fiqa and many more of past and presents scholars do not sees ahadith as you sees.Infact whom ever I study I found him on almost the same point of view as mentioned in the article of Taqi Usmani Saheb. Quote:- This is not a new sect. It is a thought process and approach to understand Islam, not started by him but Farahi and Islahi. I read Moudoodi, Dr Israr, Waheeduddin Khan.and we must respect these people who have dedicated their lives for Islam. I think this is going to be a new sect if its follower will start growing.IF you could do me a favor to bring some thoughts of Imeen Ashan Aslahi saheb on this particular issue to Ahadith that how he used to see ahadith of today. Quote:-The reason that he is disliked is that he wants to seperate religion from culture. He wants to concentrate on the purpose of religion, the essence of prayers, not whether your shalwar is of a certain length. Who ever will try to keep away from the ahadith he could certainly will think like that.But the problem comes with these people when Quran it self go against them.They failed to find a single verse of Quran in their support. Quote:-The problem that people have today, is that we are brought up in a scociety and culture of pre formed ideas.We percieve truth , from these pre formed ideas. Any thing that is different, is wrong, becasue so and so says so.We need to have the strength and ability to break these pre formed bounderies to our thinking, and we may see things differently. There are certainly some problems of man made concepts which some people gave them unnecessary importance here but if some one think that length of shalwar is not a issue of deen then it is stated in the basic source of deen that it is a issue. Quote:- my only request is never shut the door . At present , this is what I believe in, but I pray to Allah to show me the right path, if it is something different then direct me to it. Brother one never shut the door of any knowledge whom ever its comes from but it must be in compliance of Quran and teaching of Prophet(pbuh) then one will never go wrong.This is the policy I am following.[/quote]
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