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[quote]Salaam aboosait My friend i find you writing extremely difficult to read, so perhaps i might have evn misunderstood the points you are trying to make. Any chance of using a bigger font so it is easy to read. I am not sure if we are not talking cross purposes here. Of course I dont believe these stupid stories of Ayesha being 6 and the prophet havein sex with numerous wives duting one noght or cutting peoples hands or gorging their eyes out. THE WHOLE PURPOSE MY POST WAS THAT THESE STORIES ARE MENTIONED IN THE HADITH...THEREFORE HOW CAN YOU TRUST THESE HADITH. I hope you understand the point I am trying to make. I suggest you read our discussion again so that you are clear on my position. Salaam Usmani [quote] These are the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, which We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) with truth. Then in which speech after Allâh and His Ayât will they believe? (Al-Jathiyah 45:6) [/quote] [quote] Yours comments:-Yet again Allah is forbidding to believe in any speech (recital, hadith or what ever meaning you choose to give) other than the recital, speech etc of the Quran. [/quote] [quote] Now tell me in the light of the above suras why do you still continue to believe in speeches outside the Quran or do you not believe what the Quran is telling you/ [/quote] [quote] My response:- Brother were you in yours senses when you have wrote this?.Don’t get angry but please try to realize that how wrongly you are interpreting the above verse(45:6).See how I am interpreting these verse below. Please compare this with yours one and look at the verse again and then please give yours comments on them.I hope this way we will understand the Quran more better. [/quote] [quote] My Interpretation:- Brother if you will see this verce in the context then Allah here saying this to nonbelievers that is, "When these people have not believed even after Allah's own arguments have been presented for His Existence and His Unity(as mentioned in the previous verses), what else can be there by which they will gain the faith ? [/quote] [quote] It is not saying at all that don’t believe in any thing elsc than Quran neither there is any sense to say that don’t believe any thing else than Quran to those people whom not yet have faith brother.Here the are arguments presented to non-believers so they might have faith. [/quote] One clarification before I continue...I am not angry with you or anyone else. I think it might just my hurried writing (accept my apologies for that) Any how back to the bove sura you wrote: [quote] My Interpretation:- Brother if you will see this verce in the context then Allah here saying this to nonbelievers that is, "When these people have not believed even after Allah's own arguments have been presented for His Existence and His Unity(as mentioned in the previous verses), what else can be there by which they will gain the faith [/quote] Whether Alaah is talking to believers or non believers is a irrelvent read the Quote again IT STATES WHAT SPEECH (RECITAL, HADITH ETC) AFTER ALLAH'S AYAT WILL THEY BELIEVE. Whether Allah is talking to believers or non believers is very clear that Allah does not want any one to believe accept anything outside the Quran...WHY DO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WHAT ALLAH IS SAYING...IT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOURS, MINE OR ANYONE ELSES INTERPERTATION..JUST ACCEPT WHAT ALLAH IS SAYING OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HADITH ARE PART OF ALLAH AYATS LIKE THE QURAN..OTHERWISE THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION IN BELIEVING THEM AS PART OF ISLAM. UNLESS YOU THINK ALLAH IS CONFUSED AND DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HIS OWN WORDS. [quote] Indeed in their stories, there is a lesson for men of understanding. It (the Qur'an) is not a forged statement [b]but a confirmation of the Allâh's existing Books [/b] [the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel) and other Scriptures of Allâh] and a detailed explanation of everything and a guide and a Mercy for the people who believe.[] (Yusuf 12:111) [/quote] [quote] Yours comments:-Yes of course- Torah & Injeel mentioned by name...where are Bukhari et al mentioned above. [/quote] [quote] My response:-I hope you have red the Torah & Injeel,if you have red than you surely knows that there are very few verces there which are the words of Allah.Most of old testament and new testament is full of sayings of prophet Moses and specially Prophet Jesus(peace be upon them). [/quote] I hope you fully understand the above sura....Tora & Injeel Allahs books but yes they have been corrupted. Unlike the Quran Allah did not say he would preserve the above as original. Unfortunately Humans wanted to add or invent issue hence corrupted these books. that is why God sent a reaffirmation of the previous scriptures in the shape of Quran otherwise there would have been no need. The difference this time is that Allah has promised to perserve the Quran You are doing what the Christians and Jews did by corrupting the religion of Islam by your man (or even possibly Shaitan) made hadith. [quote] But here in this verse above still Allah confirm them as His Scriptures [/quote] Yes Torah and Injeel - not collecton by Bukhari and co 300 yrs after the completion of the Quran. [quote] This is some thing especial for Quran that it is 100% are the words of Allah [/quote] correct [quote] But it not means that words of Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) have not important for us [/quote] I suggest you read the Quran...Mohd is clearly told that his ONLY DUTY is convey the Quran....Or do you not believe the Quran again. Historically speaking the prophets words would be important but even on this issues one cannot trust hadith as there are too many contradictions(= lies). Would you like me produce couple of pages of ridiculous and contradictory sayings of hadith. [quote] That is the reason Sunnah of Prophet(pbuh) is called second source of Islamic laws. [/quote] There is only one God and only source of his law....THE QURAN..PLEASE STOP TRYING TO CORRUPT IT WITH YOUR MAN MADE STATEMENTS. REGARDS[/quote]
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