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[quote][size=2]Salam,

In reply to brother care’s whims……………………

Quote: Quran was in his possession but not in complete form.

MY REPLY : I have already replied about the subject through my earlier response.Pl.see that.

Quote:  brother u tell where Quran confirms itself, as confirmation of previous scriptures is so as these are mentioned in the next or last scriptures, and there is no book after the Quran to confirm it, then how Quran is confirms itself OR how a CONFIRMER ITSELF CAN CONFIRM. VERY SIMPLE.

My reply:- Then who will confirm the Qur’an. The answer is in 3:81 (All after the prophets & scriptures, A messenger  will come to confirm all the existing scriptures or all the scriptures which will be in his possession) as I replied through my earlier post.

Quote: how did u conclude this! He was a prophet and a messenger too.
By the way y do u separate here “messenger” other than a prophet too, as u mentions that a prophet is also called a messenger. May Allah wanted to say that a messenger (a prophet) will come to confirm …as prophet Muhammad is also a prophet.

MY REPLY:- Prophet is also called a messenger but all messengers were not prophet(proof has already been given) and this verse3:81 says about a messenger, not messenger prophet. ‘ a messenger will come, not messenger prophet, to confirm the existing scriptures’ and  Muhammad was a messenger prophet and sent with the Qur’an, also he did not confirm Qur’an. So the messenger mentioned in verse 3:81 was not Muhammad. It is another messenger who will not be a prophet, simply a messenger, who will confirm the existing scriptures including the Qur’an.

Quote:- Further more, Quran is the only book of which God has took responsibity to guard. Y? , as it is not said about other past books, but these past books are mentioned and confirmed in the Quran, and what is left behind to confirm, it IS QURAN AND QURAN’S GUARDSHIP Or CONFIRMATION IS TAKEN BY GODHIMSELF. THERE FORE ALL BOOKS HAVE GUARDED OR CONFIRMED IN THIS WAY. Any way I can’nt say more than this.

MY REPLY:- For the argument sake, If I ask you how could you know that the present day’s Qur’an, which you possess, is guarded by God? What will be your answer? What is the proof of your answer/statement?

2ndly, Almighty Allah took the responsibility of GURDING the Qur’an, not confirming the Qur’an. Why do you again try to confuse others by creating new meaning of the English word Guard??? It means to protect, not to confirm.

Moreover, If Almighty Allah confirmed the Qur’an through the guradship  of It OR HE took the responsibility of confirming the Qur’an(according to your definition), then why HE says in verse 3:81 that “ A messenger will come to confirm the existing scriptures”. Really brother, You did not think these points seriously, yet you always ready to pass any remark regarding any subject without any understanding. Very sad!!!

Quote:- Y do u say that he will not bring the new scripture, does verses say so..where as this is also proved that Muhammad came to confirm the previous scriptures with the Quran.

MY REPLY:- verse 3:81 says that the incoming messenger will come only to confirm the existing scriptures, he will not deliver the new scripture. Did you not see? Qur’an confirmed previous scriptures, but Qur’an did not confirm Itself. You can’t give/write your own character certificate. Plus you please see my earlier reply regarding the subject.

Quote: How do u see a support of a prophet to a prophet, do u think that they (previous) prophets should have been present to support the messenger Muhammad. Is’nt? It is not so, to help or support of a prophet to a prophet is to believe in the MESSAGE what allah gives them all,

MY REPLY :- This verse(3:81) does not say us any support of prophets to a prophet. It says support of  prophets to a messenger (not prophet) who will come all after them and all the scriptures have been delivered and his duty will be only to confirm the existing scriptures. So the verse(3:81) says “You(prophets) shall believe in him(new coming messenger and his message) and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They(prophets) said, "We agree."

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