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[quote][size=2]In continuation of my reply to brother care’s whims…………

Quote:- AND ALSO VERSES FROM THE QURAN,33:45, 2:143, 16: 89, 
O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and Warner (33:45)  (16:89)

MY REPLY: Muhammad will not be witness for us. How could Muhammad be witnessed over us, when he is dead.  Muhammad will bear witness over his people.

Did you not read what Prophet Jesus said to his GOD? Pl. read;

[5:117]   "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I WAS A WITNESS AMONG THEM FOR AS LONG AS I LIVED WITH THEM. When You Terminated My Life On Earth, You Became The Watcher Over Them. You WITNESS all things.

Muhammad will serve as a witness on the day of Judgement OVER HIS PEOPLE AND THOSE HE DELIVERED THE MESSAGE TO, and not us ....

For every community there are witness's, they are the ones who speak the truth to their people and advocate the way of God.

Our witnesses will be from amongst ourselves and these verses say so. We are not Muhammad’s people. We lived now, more than 1400 years after his death. Also Muhammad lived in Arab, but we are Indian or Pakistani…. You can’t label us or any Chinese people, for an example, who live in China as Muhammad’s people.

Quote:- [10:47] To each community, a messenger. After their messenger comes, they are judged equitably, without the least injustice.

Your Reply: My dear brother, we are a single community, after the coming of Prophet Muhammad, and we his “UMAH” till the hereafter. Therefore this verse is also mentioned during the coming of Muhammad in Arabs as they have forgotten previous prophets teachings and their scriptures. They are reminded that Alalh sends messengers TO each community ( UMAH) but not IN each community.

MY REPLY:- God is not telling US in this ayat!!! This does not apply to us, this applies to the COMMUNITY OF MUHAMMAD, i.e. at the time when he was alive. I know that Imams call us the community of Muhammad, but we are NOT. We are living 1400 years after Muhammad, we are of different culture and civilization to the time of the prophet. Just the fact that we follow the Qur’an does NOT mean we are the community of Muhammad. let me give you an example,….

Would you call the Jews in the world today the community of Moses? obviously not, yes they follow the Torah but that is about all, everything else is different………..

Do you know why these corrupt bearded Imams call us the community of Muhammad?? The answer is two folded:

First: they hate to think that there will be messengers after Muhammad… they don’t like 10:47 where God confirms that for every community there will be a messenger, and thus to their retarded thinking if they say that we are the Umman of Muhammad then there will be no more new community and thus no new messenger!!!

To expose their naïve retarded minds, what about the Chinese community living today or the Japanese, or the Scandinavians …etc.. Are they not communities? Yes they are, in accordance with 10:47, they too will have messengers….unless ofcourse some fools with a turban and a beard wants to call the Chinese the community of Muhammad!!!

One more reasons these Imams call us the community of Muhammad is that they have one of theirr cherished hadith which is their basis for the corrupt concept of Muhammad’s intercession……..

Qur’an confirms that there will be no intercession on Judgement day, yet the sunni’s claim that Muhammad will intercede for all of us and actually take us out of hell into heaven. They base this corrupt claim on a hadith they repeat like parrots where it is claimed that God asked each prophet to ask for a wish, and when God asked Muhammad for his wish, Muhammad replied “Ummati” or (my community), the hadith then goes to say that God replies to Muhammad and says (take out of hell your people)!!!! So this claim that we are Muhammad’s ummah is the basis of two very corrupt idolatrous doctrines:

1.	that there are no messengers after Muhammad
2.	that Muhammad will intercede for all of us on Judgement day.

Both these concepts are clearly in violation of the Quran.

Bye…………
Samsher Ali.[/size=2][/quote]

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