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[quote]w salaam Br Samsher[quote]2ndly, you asked for historical proof regarding the ‘SOURCE OF ISLAM’. Alas!!! [u]I have given you QUR’ANIC PROOF (6:114-115) numerous time but you are not satisfied with that[/u], rather you claimed for historical proof, why not? [u]You people believe in history more than the word of Almighty Allah!!! Brother, when you are not been able to hear, listen or understand the Almighty God’s word, then who am I??? [/u] Also it is not possible for me to hear you type of people.[/quote]Yes I've asked again for a Historical Proof & I'll Carry on asking for it as our Holy Quran is a PART of History. I can leave my Demand ONLY if You Deny this HISTORICAL FACT that Quran was Actually Revealed to Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) about 1450 years AGO. Do U DARE to DENY it? Alhamdulillah I already Know the meaning of the verses u've mentioned Again n Again. In Fact, by the Grace of God, I Have a very well Understanding of almost WHOLE of the Holy Quran & my Level of Understanding is Not of an ORDINARY person. BUT still it's My understanding that may be & May NOT be the SAME as of Yours. We may Talk about OUR difference in our Understanding of Quran but LATER, 1stly I need YOUR Answer of my Q. about the Historical Proof. & one MORE thing, This is NOT the CASE of Believing More in History THAN Quran. Plz Don't TRY to MIX things in a NON-Scholarly WAY. I'm Repeating Again that "Quran has Travelled about 1450 yrs of Historical journey b4 Reaching in OUR hands". Am I Right or Wrong? If I'm WRONG then Give me your Reasoning BUT if I'm Right, then Give me an Answer that is ONLY n ONLY Based on Historical Facts. [quote]The believers believe/depend on the above words of God. They do not require any conjecture/contradiction/history to know that the Qur’an is the word of God and also they do not require any history to know that Qur’an revealed to Prophet Muhammad. (2:97, 185, 6:19, 10:37, 15:87).[/quote]I'm afraid, I can't Give even a LITTLE VALUE to your Above Statement. Why (on which BASIS) we Do Not Require to Get this Information from History that "the Qur’an is the word of God & the Qur’an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad.? plz Give some SOLID reasons for that? NO One Can HAVE the Believe in QURAN as "Word" of GOD Just Bcoz One Find this CLAIM in it. Tell me plz That Wud you DARE to Declare YOUR Translation of Quran that YOU QUOTE HERE again n again as WORD of GOD? If Yes then plz Explain HOW n If NOT then plz tell us WHY? [quote][red]Most importantly, Qur'an does not say a single word in favour of continuity & consensus taking them as Source of Law(religious)[/red][/quote]Leave What Quran HAVE said in This regard at the Moment, Bcoz Claim of WHOLE MUSLIM IMMAH is that the WORD of GOD "Quran" has reached in YOUR hands Only n Only by Means of "continuity & consensus". What You Can Say Against this Historical Fact n On What BASIS you can DENY it? [quote]Moreover, anything that comes from other than God is full of contradictions (4:82). So your history is full of contradictions.[/quote]That's Where U r either WRONG or have Some SERIOUS Misunderstanding as One can NEVER find Any CONTRADICTION in a thing that Comes VIA "continuity & consensus" provided One Understand FULLY what these Two TERMS mean Exactly. [quote]Almighty Allah promised to PRESERVE THE QUR’AN (15:9). It reached us through this preservation.[/quote]Yes HERE is My ONLY n Hopefully a v v v SIMPLE Question for a Knowledgable Person like U that "THRU WHAT PROCESS Quran has Reached US in its PRESERVE state according to God's Promise? or in OTHER words, "HOW His Promise has Practically WORKED Till Today n WILL carry ON working till the LAST day, if NOT via "continuity & consensus of Muslim Ummah"? & PLZZZ for GOD sake, DO NOT RUN AWAY from the Straight n To the Pt. Answer of THIS Question; the simplest one for U. & I think ALL readers will AGREE w ME here that the Required Answer Does NOT NEED Quotation of Even a Single Word from Quran unless n untill Any VERSE Described this PROCESS? Being a Hafiz of IT n Knowing Arabic v Well, I'm sure there is NO SUCH verse in the WHOLE Quran. [quote]2ndly, Qur’an says Religion(Islam) is completed through the revelation of Qur’an i.e. Islam completed during the life time of Muhammad by the Qur’an (5:3). [u]So, your twatur, ijmaa are not the part(s) of Islam.[/u][/quote]Br. We too Believe that "Islam completed during the life time of Muhammad by the GOD" but this COMPLETE Religion is Reaching YOU n ME via "Twaatur n Ijmaa". Plz Try to Understand Our pt. of View at LEAST n I hope that NOW You'll Understand the REASON of Our INSIST on "Twaatur n Ijmaa". [quote]Why do you argue in support of continuity & consensus?? According to qur’an these have no value(towards SOURCE OF LAW) in our religion. I am giving you here three points in favour of my opinion, pl. see; [b]1st point :- [/b] previous scriptures i.e. Torah, Injeel etc..etc.. also the hadith of Moses i.e. Mishna, Zemarrah and the hadith of Jesus i.e. Trinity…… all these are reached to present day’s Jewish, Christians through CONTINUITY & CONSENSUS of their nations.[/quote]Br. That's Where Your Misunderstanding LIES. No ONE even the Christians n Jews have EVER Claimed that there is a CONSENSUS on the BIBLE (Total of All Pre. Scriptures) n it Fulfill the Condition of CONTINUITY. As U have said, Its a Mixture of Divine Scriptures, Ahadith of Moses, Jesus n of their All other Prophets, Biography of Prophets, History of that time & So on so Forth & MOST ImportantlyDiff. Parts of BIBLE are Either "Riwayat" of a Companion (like All Injeels) or Have been Written By a BOARD of their SCHOLARS (as text Books are Written). Therefore, there is NO question that ALL THESE are GOD Given SOURCES?? The Case of Islam is Totally Different. Quran n Sunnah are its PRIMARY SOURCES n BOTH are in their PRESERVE FORM; 1st is Wordly n 2nd is Practically. That's Why HADITH is NOT Taken as Primary Source as It Does NOT Fulfill the Conditions of "Continuity & Consensus" I hope that From My Explanations it's Also Crystle Clear that "Continuity & Consensus" does NOT fall in the Category of "following the BASELESS practices of PARENTS" that Have Been condemned in the Quran. Moreover, its your misunderstanding again that the acts of their parents have come through continuity n consensus to next Generation. In Contrast, That's ONE of the MAIN Critisizm of Quran against them.[/quote]
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