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[quote]In continueation………………..

Q:- That's Where U r either WRONG or have Some SERIOUS Misunderstanding as One can NEVER find Any CONTRADICTION in a thing that Comes VIA "continuity & consensus" provided One Understand FULLY what these Two TERMS mean Exactly.

R:- That means you do not believe in the verse 4:82. It is expected from you. Whatever may be, let us see the contradiction for an example;

In verse 17:110 it is clearly said that WE MUST OFFER OUR REGULAR SALAT MAINTAINING MODERATE TONE(AUDIBLE TONE). But we know very well that you people do not do this according to Qur’an. You maintain MIXED TONE in your regular salat i.e. you maintain MODERAT TONE in some parts of your regular salat and SILENCE TONE in some parts of your salat and you claim that this come through your continuity and consensus of Muslim Ummah, which(mixed tone in salat) is totally contradicted with the Qur’an. [b]HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS??? [/b]

Q:- Yes HERE is My ONLY n Hopefully a v v v SIMPLE Question for a Knowledgable Person like U that "THRU WHAT PROCESS Quran has Reached US in its PRESERVE state according to God's Promise? or in OTHER words, "HOW His Promise has Practically WORKED Till Today n WILL carry ON working till the LAST day, if NOT via "continuity & consensus of Muslim Ummah"? & PLZZZ for GOD sake, DO NOT RUN AWAY from the Straight n To the Pt. Answer of THIS Question; the simplest one for U.
& I think ALL readers will AGREE w ME here that the Required Answer Does NOT NEED Quotation of Even a Single Word from Quran unless n untill Any VERSE Described this PROCESS?
Being a Hafiz of IT n Knowing Arabic v Well, I'm sure there is NO SUCH verse in the WHOLE Quran.

A:- Brother don’t mind to my words because I am going to say you that [u]“pl. don’t blow your own trumpet” by saying that you are Hafiz and you know Arabic v well etc. etc..[/u] Whether you know Arabic v well or not it will be decided latter. For now I discuss here the above issue. You said that Almighty God PRESERVE THE QUR’AN THROUGH THE WAY CONTINUITY AND CONSENSUS OF UMMAH!!! Well

Now please see the another issue;

Hadith were written and compiled in between 150 to 250(approx) years after the death of Prophet Muhammad and from then to till date these hadith came through your process continuity, consensus…..and in this way these hadith are also preserved by Ummah and will be preserved in future. Now question is WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN THESE TWO, IF ANY i.e. PRESERVATION OF QUR’AND AND PRESERVATION OF HADITH??? Do you think that Hadith of Muhammad are also preserving through the same way i.e. CONTINUITY, CONSENSUS…. As the Qur’an is? Almighty God said that HE will preserve the QUR’AN, but HE did not say this about Hadith, WHY? Did Almighty God not know that HUMAN CAN PRESERVE THE QUR’AN THROUGH CONTINUITY, CONSENSUS….? IF YES, THEN WHY HE PROMISED HIMSELF TO PRESERVE THE QUR’AN???  The five books of Moses i.e. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy and besides these Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekial, Psalms, Proverbs, Daniel etc…etc… these are all called HEBREW BIBLE and are also possessed by Jewish, which reached to them through the same way that is through CONTINUITY, CONSENSUS. Now what is the value of these books in Islam after Revelation of Qur’an????

Almighty Allah told that “He will preserve the Qur’an” that does not mean that ‘we ourselves preserve the qur’an through continuity and consensus!!! Almighty Allah tells us HE will preserve the Qur’an that means HE HIMSELF preserve the Qur’an not we. Almighty Allah preserve the qur’an with Him:

[43:4]   IT IS PRESERVED WITH US IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER, honorable and full of wisdom.

[85:21-22]   Indeed, it is a glorious Quran. IN A PRESERVED MASTER TABLET.

Now I am giving here another example for your consideration. Pl. see and deeply think on:

[10:92]   "TODAY, WE WILL PRESERVE YOUR BODY, to set you up as a lesson for future generations." Unfortunately, many people are totally oblivious to our signs

Pharaoh’s body, about which the above verse says, is preserved. Do you know in which year his body was founded?? It was 1889 and since then Pharaoh’s  body has been preserving in Royal Museum in Egypt. The MOST IMPORTANT MATTER IS Pharaoh’s body was missing for about 3116 years. Now I ask you during this long years WHERE WAS HIS BODY AND WHO PRESERVED IT AND HOW? Is it your continuity, consensus? Ha.....

So brother your theory of continuity and consensus is totally baseless and these are not ANY CRITERION(FURQAN), the ONLY CRITERON (FURQAN) IN ISLAM IS ONLY QUR’AN. So brother I again say you that [b][i]” THE QURAN IS THE FIRST TRUTH, AGAINST WHICH EVERYTHING ELSE MUST BE COMPARED”.[/i][/b]

To be continued………….[/quote]

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