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[quote]Salaam, brother mtarin,

I sincerely appreciate u taking time out to reply to my post - may Allah Almighty reward u for your efforts, Ameen

Ok, it seems u didnt totally grasp the points i was making - allow me to make a few clarifications:

I never accused bukhari and other hadith writers of deliberately making up things - i merely questioned the reliability of the methods these people (and present day Muslims) used in distinguishing genuinely accurate stories from corrupted ones - namely, Fann-i-Riwaayat and Fann-i-Daraayat (my responses to both of these methods are given in my previous post). If i have made any mistakes in my reasoning above, please do point them out - i'm a firm believer in constructive criticism

Moving on, u say that it was wrong of me to question the authenticity of the hadiths - i respect that opinion of yours, but i wouldnt necessarily agree with it - here's why: as a Muslim, i believe that there is absolute truth in Islam and that every aspect of it makes perfect sense. If certain teachings dont make sense, it's usually a question of us humans not fully understanding the true meaning of what is being taught, and when the real meaning does manifest itself - it does nothing but strenghten our Iman (please also note that the only way we'll arrive at the true meaning is by discussing and debating various aspects with one another). Now, the problem i have with SOME (not all) hadiths is that they dont make any logical sense, here's an example:

According to Bukhari 56/152 and Hanbel 3/107, 163; the prophet recommended that people drink camel urine to recuperate after an illness Later on when the same people killed the prophet's shepherd, he commanded that they be seized, their eyes taken out and their hands and feet cut and left them thirsty in the desert. This does not fit in with the personality of the prophet presented in the Koran. The Koran says that the prophet was compassionate. How could the prophet recommend the drinking of camel's urine, considering the importance that the Koran gives to hygiene?

Further examples can be found at http://members.aol.com/masadi/hadith.htm (if u havent already looked at them)

As i said, all i'm looking for is the truth - if these hadiths (the few that dont make sense) are to be accepted as the truth, there should be answers to the point made above and the points that are contained in the link.

And one final point, u say that there was a verse about rajm in the Qur'an which was later removed, i.e. you're saying the our modern version of the Qur'an is incomplete (assuming that u regard this verse to be from Allah Almighty) - well, The Qur'an has many fool-proof mechanisms inside it to determine whether a verse (or even a letter) was added in or removed from it, and any such additions/removals are very obvious - i invite u to read up on Code 19: http://www.submission.org/miracle/

Oh, and please bear in mind that i dont mean to personally offend u with any of the comments i've made above - i'm just trying to have a constructive argument in an attempt to unveil the truth.

May Allah Almighty guide us and have mercy upon us, Ameen.

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