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[quote]isfi22===&gt;
salam
i appreciate that u have mastery of writing in any topic in [b]detail[/b].....

but please try to be short and precise.

Again, u repeat and repeat same points in 2 or more paragraph....

what I understood from your points :

1) u r in support of NAZAR
2) you think like JADOO , nazar also same phenomena.
3) anything happen bad thru any means is God's imtihaan, like accident , jadoo or NAZAR.

First of all,  I would say that  If I disagree with anybody , I only used &quot;innocent&quot; for him but u have more courage.....to say that he is doing bay aqli and jahalat and in this way u r saying me : bay aqal and fool and jaahil....please try not to use such words....think about me in your mind whatever u like, i do not care, but please do not write like that.

[b]about NO:3,[/b] I [b]agree with you[/b].
 Anything [b]bad[/b], whatever could be the reason, could be [b]imtihaa[/b]n , like accident, jaadoo etc etc.
[b]but[/b] I do not believe in NAZAR phenomena.

[b]about NO:2[/b], jadoo is [b]different[/b] from NAZAR as:

1) Jadoo has always [b]bad[/b] intention.
2) [b]everybody cannot [/b] do jadoo, it needs [b]experience and teacher[/b]: [b]NAZAR is claimed to be happened by anybody and even with good intention [/b] and simply watching of a common man. The common man is not trained for that.
3) millions and millions of people believe in jadoo or on JINN [b]just because of holy books.[/b] Only few have real expereinces but those also not evidences for us . [b]We believe on them because of QURAN and hadees, [/b] otherwise less than 1% percentage of people had experience of such things.

[b]That is why [/b] I am confused because one hadees has been presented now, [b]otherwise I would not even consider it (NAZAR), to be discussed.[/b]
I am [b]surprised[/b] that u r [b]convinced[/b] that [b]by science and experiences NAZAR phenomena has been proved!!!!!![/b]

my innocent brother!!! [b]where ???[/b]

it is proved in our backward and [b]superistitious[/b] mind.

[b]Fortunately, psychology [/b] was my subject in my graduation and afterwards still I have special interest in it and [b]I never found that they believe in NAZAR phenomena.[/b]
[b]They[/b] believe in [b]telepathy or hypnotism[/b] 
but my dear brother! again it [b]needs training , experience and a lot of  practice.[/b]

[b]NOT from a common man, from one watchful NAZAR , [/b] it happens.

Again I am confused [b]because of hadees[/b]. And [b]till now I would consider that this hadeees may be not authentic because of quran and aqal kasoti[/b].

[b]but if [/b] this hadees is true (which I have doubt), then i have no choice [b]except[/b] to  believe...
like about [b]JADOO and JINN[/b], I believe only because of Quran and authentic hadees....not because of experiences or science.

so [b]please and please [/b] do not say that  &quot;IT HAS BEEN PROVED BY SCIENCE OR AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES&quot;.

i USED WORD [b]&quot;authentic expereince[/b]&quot;,
 otherwise [b]superstition[/b] also develops from different people [b]experiences:[/b] (tujrooba)

what about

[b]1[/b]) black cat crossing your way???
[b]2)[/b] no: 13 fear

all these phenomenas are because of different people experiences.

[b]by the way [/b] !!! please define [b]what is a superistition [/b] in your opinion???...with examples please!!! and compare it with NAZAR phenomena.

[b]about your NO:1 point[/b], everybody has right to believe whatever if it is its personal experience, nobody can force others and
 do not say it that because other does not believe you then he is doing [b]bay aqli and jahalat.[/b]

when u do not have scientific or religious proof, u can not say other person as [b]bay aqal and jaahil[/b].

even if u have [b]only few [/b] scientific proof, u cannot say that it is [b]bay aqali [/b] not to believe that.

Great philospher once[b]Bertrand Russel [/b] once  [b]asked[/b] about GOD and he replied that [b]&quot;not enough evidences for HIM&quot;[/b], but [b]thanks GOD[/b], [b]you and me consider those evidences[/b] are [b]enough[/b] and alhamdooLiLLAh [b]we are muslims.[/b]

But [b]thanks GOD [/b] , i do not find [b]enough evidences [/b] that I should believe in NAZAR phenomena,
 otherwise I would be in [b]superstitious world (like many indian/Pakistani people)[/b] and
always [b]trying to stop [/b] everytime my [u]parents, brothers, sisters and dear friends [/u] that [b]&quot;oh please do not watch me...oh please do not praise my children , otherwise something bad would happen to me...or to them...  [/b][/quote]

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