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[quote][quote] پھر یہ کہنا زیادہ درست ہوگا کہ وہ پیروی تو اسلام ہی کی کررہے ہیں لیکن انہوں نے تصوف کے نام پر بہت سی فکری و عملی بدعات اور نہایت خلافِ اسلام علمی و عملی تفصیلات ایجاد کرڈالی ہیں۔ میرے خیال سے بات دوسری ہی صحیح ہے۔ جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب بھی یہ نہیں کہتے کہ فلاں اور فلاں صوفی اسلام کے متوازی ایک دوسرے دین کی پیروی کررہے ہیں بلکہ ان کا کہنا یہی ہے کہ تصوف کے لٹریچر میں جو افکار و خیالات کی ایک پوری الگ قسم کی دنیا اور عملیات و رسومات کی ایک پوری شریعت پائی جاتی ہے وہ اسلام کے بالمقابل ایک متوازی دین ہے۔ [/quote]

here i got my answer...and I agreed...and I assumed that Mr Ghamdi also believe in this way....May God Guide us all....we can say now that they (sufis) are muslims and following islam [b]but[/b] in some [u]concepts and practices[/u] they are wrong and following which is something out of islam....

[b]I still believe that  term &quot;matawazi deen &quot; is very harsh term for them[/b].....when u want to bring people closer to each other for the sake of Islam.....u need to be cautious about using wordings....And I always found [b]Mr Ghamdi very very very GOOD in that..[/b]..he is very good in selecting the proper words....[b]i do not know why here he became emotional.[/b]...

anyway! he is a great scholar...and I admire him most...

whatever all other stuff u wrote(that &quot;we cannot say anybody mushrik or kafir etc etc&quot;) was [b]revision[/b] of what u already said earlier....and I [b]never [/b] gave impression ever that I do not agree with that???....so why so big explanation???...could be avoided....

[b]Secondly[/b] about your and aboosait's  comments which I took &quot;personally&quot;....:

I already explained in my last comment..

for example: if I say &quot;if anybody eat at night lately, he is fool&quot;.... and[b] u[/b] r doing that (eating at late night) ..then it [b]means[/b] I am considering you as [b]&quot;fool[/b]&quot;..

[b]this is very simple rule..[/b]

...intellectual people like you when talking to dump people like me..should take care of such things...

but as i said earlier... no more personal explanation please.....

i ,from my heart, [b]consider you and mr Aboosait very sincere and kind people[/b].
 the problem is: u are  [b]not [/b] considering my [b]perspective.....[/b]may be I am over-sensitive.

[b]so we should concentrate now onward on academic issues and discussion to understand islam....[/b], not personal....

God Knows better...

Edited by: safimera on Friday, July 02, 2010 3:24 PM

Edited by: safimera on Friday, July 02, 2010 3:28 PM[/quote]

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