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[quote][quote][quote]...... Now why should we understand this passage in accordance with the first meaning? Because we believe that the Quran is clear, as its text itself insists..........[/quote] [blue]Who understood deen better - those companions of the Prophet who took the deen directly from him or 'modernist' muslims? I have to repeat Allah’s words again: [hl]“ Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest?”[/hl] This because you are leaving out Verses relevant to the topic under discussion picking random unrelated Verses and saying that Qur’an does not support my claim. [quote]please give me any reference from Qur’an where it says that prophetic(??) Hadith besides Quran should be taken as source of Islam. [/quote] You cannot ask me to re-write the Qru'an in [i]your[/i] words, The following Verses are enough to come to the conclusion. Hadith is a record of those explanations, instructions and teachings of the Prophet. Allah says: (translation of menings) "And We have sent down unto You the Message [hl]so that you may explain clearly to men[/hl] what is sent for them." [An-Nahal, 16:44]. And He says: (translation of menings) "Allah did confer a great favor on the Believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, [hl]rehearsing unto them[/hl] the Signs (Verses) of Allah, purifying them, [hl]instructing[/hl] them in Scripture, and [hl]teaching[/hl] them Wisdom. While before that they were in manifest error." [A'ale Imran 3:164]. Take the meanings as understood by the early Muslims who learnt the deen directly from the Prophet Sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam. [quote]The moment they uphold the personal sayings of the messenger or any kind of personal teachings which are not authorised in the Quran they immediately become guilty of idol worship[/quote]Read the above Verses again. Allah is authorizing the Prophet to explain, train and teach th people. Those alive saw him and heard him. They passed on these teachings in the form of Hadith. The Hadith rejectores are thus rejecting the Verses authorizing the Prophet to explain, train and teach. These illogical and irrational underdeveloped minds who started interpreting the Verses to suit their whims and fancies popped up during british rule in India in the form of Parvezis and Qadianis. Where were they before 150 yrs?[/blue] Edited by: aboosait on Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:08 AM[/quote] Quote:- Who understood deen better - those companions of the Prophet who took the deen directly from him or 'modernist' muslims? I have to repeat Allah’s words again: “ Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest?” [b]Answer[/b] :- Brother, which part of the Qur’an, do you think, says all companions of the prophet understood deen better than ‘modernist’ muslim? Please give example from the Quran. Quote:- This because you are leaving out Verses relevant to the topic under discussion picking random unrelated Verses and saying that Qur’an does not support my claim. [b]Answer[/b]:- Sometimes to understand the meaning of a particular word of a verse we should see in the Quran where this word is used and how? This is the just way to read and understand the Qur’an. In this case he word lituBaYyeNa of 16:44, is similar to the one used in 3:187 which tells us that the people who received the revelation should "… proclaim the scripture to the people, and never hide it." (3:187). So surely Qur’an does not support your claim.. Quote :- You cannot ask me to re-write the Qru'an in your words, The following Verses are enough to come to the conclusion. Hadith is a record of those explanations, instructions and teachings of the Prophet. Allah says: (translation of menings) "And We have sent down unto You the Message so that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them." [An-Nahal, 16:44]. [b]Answer[/b] :- Brother, the meaning of the highlighted portion is incorrect as I had already told. Please read the verse 3:187 and compare the meaning of the word in concerned used in both the verses. The duty of the messenger was only to deliver/proclaim the Qur’an without any change. It is Almighty God who can only explain the Quran. Muhammed was not authorized to do it. Prophet Muhammad was not the teacher of the holy Quran as hadith followers claim! Teacher of the Quran is Allah Himself. [The Quran 55:1] The Most Gracious. [55:2] Teacher of the Quran. [55:3] Creator of the human beings. Quote:- Nabi (Prophet) is a general cadre and a Rasul (Messenger) a special one. As such, every Rasul is a Nabi but this is not true vice versa. This is like saying that all Generals are army men but all army men are not generals. When the Qur’an says that the institution of Nabuwwat (Prophethood) has been terminated, it means that the institution of Risalat (Messengerhood) has also been terminated since the closure of a general cadre automatically means that the upper ones have also been terminated. [b]Answer:- [/b] You opined that ‘Nabi (Prophet) is a general cadre and a Rasul (Messenger) a special one”. Where did you find this theory? [b]Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall translated 3:81 as follows:[/b] "When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the scripture and knowledge. AND AFTERWARD THERE WILL COME UNTO YOU A MESSENGER confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you)in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you." The above verse clearly informs us that “every messenger was not prophet”. Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi". [u]Moses, the messenger prophet[/u]: In 19:51, Moses was described by God as a messenger prophet (Rasoulan Nabyya), and not as a prophet messenger (Nabyyan Rasoula). [u]Ismail, the messenger prophet:[/u] In 19:54, Ismail is described with the same words, "Rasoulan Nabyyan". The reason is that, not every Rasoul (Messenger) is a Nabi (Prophet), but every Prophet (Nabi) is a Messenger (Rasoul), so God defined the word Rasoul by adding to it "Nabyya". In other words, Ismail was a messenger and also a prophet. God does not make mistakes and He does not place His words in a haphazard sequence, it is meant to be in this order. [b]Other examples are found in the Quran to clarify this description:[/b] [u]Human being messenger[/u]: "Am I more than a human messenger (Basharan Rasoula)" 17:93 Notice, " a human messenger" and not "a messenger human". The reason is that not every Bashar (human) is a Rasoul (messenger) while every Rasoul (messenger) from among us is a Bashar (human). 17:94, has the same expression again, human messenger (Basharan Rasoula), not (Rasoulan Bashara) [u]Angel messenger:[/u] " ...... we would have sent to them from the sky an angel messenger (Malakan Rasoula)" 17:95 Notice, "an angel messenger" and not "a messenger angel (Rasoulan Malaka). Here the reason is that not every angel is a messenger. [b]Perhaps one of the strongest indications in the Quran that the words prophet and messenger do not have the same meaning, is found in the following verse:[/b] "We did not send before you any messenger nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise." 22:52 If the words prophet and messenger had the same meaning God would not be saying "messenger nor a prophet", would He? Had the two words had exactly the same meaning, then mentioning one of them would have been sufficient. samsher[/quote]
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