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[quote][pre]Quote:- Same old copy paste of off topic material.

Whoever said here that prophet and messenger have the same meaning?

&quot;God would not be saying this&quot; - &quot;God wouldnot be saying that&quot; - &quot;mentioning one of them would have been sufficient&quot;. etc. etc. --- Telling God to re- submit the Qur'an? Astagfirullah. A'oodhu billah.

[b]Reply :- What is your probleme brother. Do you understood the meaning of the verses which, according to you, I copied and paste to you(smile)? Do you understood the meaning of verses 17:93-94? Did  you understand the meaning of the verses 19:51 &amp; 52? Above all do you understood the meaning of verse 3:81? Particularly this verse clearly transpires that “every messenger was not prophet”.[/b]

Now come to the point. You told that ‘Nabi (Prophet) is a general cadre and a Rasul (Messenger) a special one, every Rasul is a Nabi but this is not true vice versa.”. I asked you ‘Where did you find this theory’? You did not able to answer my question. I know you never be able to prove your point because this is yours whimsical opinion as Qur’an says otherwise(3:81).

[u]Brother, I don’t require to tell GOD to resubmit the Qur’an rather you should tell to GOD, because the present Qur’an do not supports your any whim.[/u]

[b]I resubmit the main discussion point ( verse 16:44, 3:164) here for the forums member as follows:[/b]

If we read 16:44 and 3:164 on their own we may indeed think that the messenger can fully explain the Quran to the people and that he is the teacher of the Quran,
 
but what happens when we read 55:1-2 which says that Allah is the teacher of the Quran? 
 
also what happens when we read 75:19 where God is speaking to the messenger and telling him that it is Allah who will explain the Quran?
 
as you see, when we read other verses we get a different picture,
 
so what is the common meaning that would be in harmony with all the Quranic verses and not just 3:164 and 16:44?

The common meaning is that the messenger delivered the Quran to the people and he spent all his remaining days preaching the Quran and commanding people to follow it and showing them what the Quran wants them to do ....
 
but the messenger cannot guide anyone or guarantee that all people will understand the true message of the Quran,

it is God , and God alone, who can guide the people and truly explain the message of the book to the ones who deserve the guidance ..........
the messenger is a tool and a medium between God and the people, but the messenger cannot change what is in the heart nor can he implant belief into any heart nor can he guide anyone, he can only pass the message ..........
 
&quot;the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message (Quran)&quot; 5:92

this does not only apply to the messenger, it applies to any Imam or Islamic teacher etc .... there are thousands of such teachers all over the world giving lectures, lessons and sermons .......they all try to explain the Quran, but do all their listeners understand the message of the book?

Those who understand the true message are a very small minority, this is confirmed in the Quran:

&quot;the majority of those who believe in Allah do not do so without committing shirk (associating partners with God)&quot; 12:106

Samsher.[/pre][/quote]

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