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[quote]Asalamau Alaykum

Dear brother Junaidj, I have to say that I think we are on the same wavelength.

I too have been concerned that many scholars have not been very outspoken regarding the responsibilities a man owes his wife , and this does seem to be the result of a patriarchal line of thought.

As my main questions have not been responded to, I will assume (until shown otherwise) that there was a definite need to "limit" physical admonishment at the time of the prophet(saws) as the men of jahilliyah were obnoxious in their treatment of women. I cannot, with good conscience though, believe that this directive is applicable today though.

As youve noted "a woman is not a naive child" to be reprimanded physically (and as I've argued elsewhere in this thread), psychology has shown without a doubt that discipline,of a child, can be acheived withou even the use of light tapping to emphasise a point.

How much more absurd to treat a woman as a child when she is your partner in the journey of life?

We're agreed brother.

[b]"And this goes back to my earlier point that even under severe circumstances we have counselling/psycotherapy or the like to be used as opposed to beating.

Times have changed. Women are not like Hinda who would chew the liver of a dead man. Times simply are not the same."[/b]

[:D] Hahaha, great one brother. Certainly in my personal life I've never met a homicidal maniac quite at the level of Hinda!!! Not yet anyways, Alhamdullillah!!

Anyhow, it does seem overly paternalistic to tap a woman who gets "out of line", and I too have difficulty seeing this scenario being played out in real life.

And thats the point really isn't it? To make Islam something that lives and breathes in your very life. How can I incorporate something into my life that seems so absurd? I just don't see it happening.

And I'm not so sure that I'd want a relaionship of father and child with my wife anyhow.

So yeah...basically we're agreed.

Peace brother, BTW, I've really enjoyed our diaolgue and I appreciate your contribution.

Edited by: locust on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:30 AM

Edited by: locust on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:08 AM[/quote]

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