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[quote]Dear Atif I think the main cause of confusion here is that u believe about me that I am AGAINST marriage. I heve never said that one SHOULD NOT MARRY rather I have said so many times that its better to marry. Your total speach is to convinve me that marriage is good. When I have denied it ???? You said that I am playing with words, I doubted about it very strongly. The translation I quoted to you of the verse is done by many Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Another Translation of the same verse I have read from the website www.Quraan.com There it is written as : Then, We sent after them, Our Messengers, and We sent 'Iesa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), and gave him the Injeel (Gospel). And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them, but (they sought it) only to please Allah therewith, but that they did not observe it with the right observance. So We gave those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah). Here the words Yet we bestowed are not used rather its written as "So We gave those among them who believed, their (due) reward". Now its more clear that we gave due reward to those AMONG THEM ...... Now who are ALLAH talking about in the verse, those who invented Monasticism and reward is given to those who among them ........ The following translation is from website www.tafsir.comm where the Tafsir of Hafiz Ibne Kasir is available. Then, We sent after them Our Messengers, and We sent `Isa the son of Maryam, and gave him the Injil. And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy. But the monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them, but (they sought it) only to please Allah therewith, but that they did not observe it with the right observance. So, We gave those among them who believed, their (due) reward; but many of them are rebellious.) Its again same and I have explained the verse. Its not that I am translating something on my own. Its the transaltion which I read at many places. Even then I said to you that its not the issue here & we should stop talking about it. The problem what we are discussing here is that Marriage obligatory or not. According to my knowledge its not obligatory. Now, I am not saying that I am 100% correct. This is what I believe and may be I am wrong but to prove me wrong u have to give some proves. You said that We should seek knowledge in Arabic only, brother the problem here is I can't understand Arabic as its not Native language and moreover even the Arabic people can't understand the Exact meaning of Quran because the language of the Quran is somewhat different ( in some places not exactly different ) then the current Arabic. To understand the Holy Quran u have to learn the old Arabic which atleast I don't know. I think it would be better to ask help from someone who knows. The meaning u have given for the word "Fankihu" is "so marry" or "then marry". I accept it, may b u r right but even if someone knows a little bit of English he can easily say that these words are not used for Commanding/ordering something. Just for an example, we all know that Prayer ( Salat ) is obligatory on all Muslims. Thr order of Salat is at many places in the Holy Quran. I am quoting one example : Chapter 2 verse 43 : 002.043 And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship). Al-Qur'an, 002.043 (Al-Baqara [The Cow]) See there are no words like "so pray" or "then Pray" Or in other words no use of the word "FANKIHU". An order is always given in clear words. I am not wishfully accepting or rejecting anything but just using the common sense as ALLAH said in the Holy Qura'n : 1. Most certainly the worst of animals in Allah’s sight are the deaf, the dumb who do not use their brains. (8:22) 2. None will grasp the message but men of intellect? (2:269) So, it's much better to use brain in order to seek guidance from the Holy Quran. No where it is written that u have to accept it as someone told u without using brain and I am just trying to do the same. What u have said that I am contradicting in each paragraph, i would only say that either I am unable to explain or u r playing with my words. My points are very clear : Marriage is good, recommended by ALLAH but no where it is a compulsion. The verse u r quoting is in reference to the orphans, if there is any explicit order, such as there are orders of Salat, very clear at many places. So, if there is any order as clear then do tell me. Quote ===== Dear Atif, in all the verses wherever you find the word “fankihu”, it means clearly an order, a command, which you have to obey. Do not try to translate in any language of your choice to justify your assumptions. Answer ====== Is there any other order (like Salat or any other thing on which there is no dispute) in the Holy Quran where the word FANKIHU is used. I am sorry to say but this is no proof that u r saying so and I have to obey....... U have to give me some proof. Why don't u ask some scholor from this site. I m sire they are in much better position then both of us. One more thing, I am not going to be a christian or Fasiq just because of the reason that u think so. I know very well what I believe and whats my intention are. You have said so many times that one cannot stay bachelor life-long. This is just an assumption from u. I have couple of examples around me where people are staying bachelor without indulging in sexual act. Its just ur frustration which caused u to do such act otherwise Jesus Christ would not have stayed bachelor. Quote ===== If someone argues that there is no command to eat Rice or Chapati in Al-Qur’aan what you will say about that man. If someone says, there is no command to sleep, how would you call that man. If a nudist argue that there is no command to dress, how will you justify. Does Allah say you to eat mangoes ? He makes fruits, vegetables and other eatables halaal. And forbids few things haraam. You cannot argue taking each and every thing in your hand and ask this is not made halaal. There are people who argue saying that there is no command of 5 times Salah. This is because of lack of proper understanding of the verses. Answer ====== These are very interesting issues. You are here again proving my point. I'll answer one by one : 1. If someone says that I am not going to eat chapati or Rice, i would take only something like fruits, halaal meat, vegetables, bread etc... Do u think its a SIN ???? if u really think so then I can't say anything more. 2. If i don't sleep.... is it a SIN ? 3. If a nudist argue that there is no cammand to dress, I would just say that read the Quran. In surah Noor (24) and Surah Ahzaab (33) there are very clear orders. 4. If i don't eat something which is Halaal due to any reason... may be i don't like the Cow meat and i prefer goat. What u say in that.... am I doing a sin ???? I am very sorry to say but that is completely a childish appraoch. Quote ===== Let me make you understand the verse – 4:3 : “And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphangirls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.” Regarding your point of “If you fear” referred to in your write-up, please note that the word “if” goes with fear only. Not with anything else. If you do not fear, then you marry them. Somewhere you have assumed that Allah has told to marry their mother. Answer ====== What u mean that If i fear that I could not take care of an orphan, I can marry with anyone I want. Now, suppose that I marry with another lady ( not the mother of that child ), How this assures that I'll be dealing justly with the child. The problem of dealing justly with the child remain same even if u marry 10 times as long as u did not marry the mother of that child and give him the status of ur own child. Its simple common sense. This is just that people are using these verses for their own pleasure and claiming that they are obeying ALLAH. The fact is that ALLAH never orders to marry more than once and ALLAH also did not forbid. Now I am contradicting my statement, I have already said that it is left on the person and community, if someone wants to marry he is allowed provided he fulfill the requirements like paying the dower to the wife which is a compilsion once u decide to marry someone. Abut the abnormalities, all u have quoted are medical fitnesses. I can't say anything more about it. [b]I would request the moderator to please help us to solve this issue.[/b] Regards[/quote]
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