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[quote]Dear Zeenaeem

I am totally unable understand what u r trying to prove. U r saying that Fankihu means order. I can agree to it if u can provide some prove of it.

Regarding Monasticism, I think u start another topic and i'll reply their. Just one thing, u quoted that no invention in Deen is acceptable. So this means that any invention in deen after the Prophet (peace be upon him) is not acceptable. If u agree to it then we are into a new discussion and I would recommend a new topic for that. We should avoid it here.

If i am not accepting any Fatwa do u think by doing so i did not remain a muslim? Where it is written that I have to accept a Fatwa from some scholor. There are many scholors who says that marriage is not Obligatory. why don't u listen to them. Just for example ask from Mr. Javed Ghamidi

You said that u are sure that marriage is Fardh, I am also sure that its not Fardh. Now, i think u r in doubt. Thats u I asked from u to show some Clear order. Make one thing very clear, Every Fardh is very clear in the Holy Qura'n and nobody needs any explanation on that. There is not even 1% chance of any confusion about Fardh.

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Again you are taking the English words, so and then to fit into your agenda. If you do not know the Arabic it is your problem. can you hold 
Al-Qur’aan responsible for that? Can you expect Allah to come down to your level of understanding. He has given you brain as you mentioned and grasp the message and be an intellect. Who holds you from becoming one like that ? Why is it too hard for you to understand that the commands are in between a group of commands, they fall in between a group of sentences ? I have already mentioned that the Islamic society was in the making, and a host of commands, rules and ethics were set up. During such time these verses were revealed.

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If you think that I am playing with these English words, why can't u translate this word as "U MUST". Its not that I am playing rather u r trying to play by stating that u know arabic better than me. Do u think that ALLAH Almighty is talking to some one else in the Qura'n, when He is talking to human beings ( all Arabs and non arabs ) then it must be in a way that everybody can understand it easily. And I believe that it is in the same manner its just that you are trying to prove that I cannot understand it becasue i don't know Arabic. YOu are completely contradicting the commands of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) that there is no advantage on the basis of races or languages.

U know my native Language is Urdu and I consult many Urdu transalations as well before quoting any verse of the Quraan.

In praying and bowing down verse : It states that

"Wa Aqeem us Salaata, Wa atuzakaata wa arkau marrakeen" I hope u can understand. Where the word "Fa" or Ahkihu is used ?

If u say that no one can remain un-married without committing any sin, this is just ur imagination. Can u give any prove ( From Islam ) about it. About Jesus Christ I quoted is due to the factor that He remains unmarried and still did not indulge in Sins, i did not quote it to prove something about Monasticism.

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In order to convince you, I have to resort to some childish approach, so that you can understand better. But in that simplest efforts also you failed to understand my point. The people who need to have some pretext to escape from responsibilities always try to find a loophole like things and if they find any, their scanty knowledge assumes and convinces them that they are right and also assume that there is no clarity in commands from Allah. That is what you are doing now.

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I failed to understand your point because u haven't given any logical explanation. If there is any clear command about marriage why don't u just show me ?

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The nudist will argue with you saying that that is for ladies to dress, not for me. If you come to wear the cloth then only the measurements become applicable to you. If you choose to remain nude, no law of this world or any Divine Laws will ever change you.

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You have read only those verses of the Holy Qur'an which serves your point. It would be better for u that u read rest of it as well.

024.030 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

There is a clear order to guard their modesty. What does that means ?

About hte frustration, I never said that u r frustrated responding here. I think u better read that again. I was referring to something else.

Peace.
Atif[/quote]

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