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[quote]Salaams, Dear Brother Kaliym, First of all i would suggest that if you are new here you should not read this topic because it lacks some true spirits. I am not saying that brother Zeenaeem or anyone is talking against Islam, what i mean to say is there are some rules or u can say guidelines which one should follow while discussing some point.... here that spirit is lacking a lot also from my side. I am here just to eloborate my point. I am not asking from you or anybody else that you have to agree with me. Its just that you wrote that I only speak of "opinin". I would suggest you to read my messages again. I started with an "opinion" and that is just my style of writing, but later i gave many prooves. Just for your reference I am quoting those again: 1. First of all we talked about the verse 25:54. This verse states that ALLAH established relationship of marriage. I can't see any order in this verse. Its simple narration. Brother Zeenaeem's main point is that marriage can save one from many sins. U can read his posts for reference. Now, what does that means.... if u fast everyday and keep on praying whole night.... that also saves u from all the sins, even after marrying there are chances of sins like adultery but the way I have told to u totally eradicate any chance of any sin. So why don't u do that? About Monasticism and innovation. i really don't want to start new discussion here and i tried to avoid that discussion. Just for your reference I am quoting one Hadith, please explain that: [[From Bukhari]] 3.227: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of `Umar's Caliphate." `Abdur Rahman bin `Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of `Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, `Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka`b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, `Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid`a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night." Can u please explain y the words "What an Excellent Bid`a (i.e. innovation in religion)" are used here. after that the point of discussion was the verse, chapter 4 verse 3, “And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphangirls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the salves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice" Please note that it starts with the words "if u fear ...... " How that can be a fixed order. Then brother Zeenaeem quoted the verse from Chapter 4 verse 25. He quoted that : Please read Chapter-4, Verse-25 : “And whoever of you have not the means wherewith to wed free, believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess, and Allah has full knowledge about your Faith, you are one from another. Wed them with the permission of their own folk (guardians, Auliya’ or masters) and give them their Mahr according to what is reasonable; they (the above said captive and slave-girls) should be chaste, not adulterious, nor taking boy-friends…..” I AM AFRAID THAT BROTHER ZEENAEEM DID NOT QUOTED THE COMPLETE VERSE OF THE QURAAN. wHAT YOU WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT. Complete translation of the verse is : 004.025 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Al-Qur'an, 004.025 (An-Nisa [Women]) It is very clearly written that if person don't have means then they can marry to slave girls and this is for those who fear sin; "but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint" Please note the words "but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint" if ALLAH Almighty Himself saying that if u don't have means to marry believing women then its better to practice self-restraint. Brother Zeenaeem did not quoted the complete verse and just took the part of the verse which suited his point of view. What would you say about this act ? He also describes some "abnormal conditions" but did not provide any proof for that, if u find anyone please do tell me. He has said so many times that I don't know arabic, I agree, but why he does not uses word "u must marry" while translating "Fankihu". Actually no one has translated like that because it doesn't means that one must marry. Its just his personal thought and nothing more than that. May be you are also thinking that i am againt marriage, like brother Zeenaeem. I just wanted to clear that I am writing these messages to say that if anything is not made obligatory by the ALLAH, we can't make it by ourself. I also agree that ALLAH has urged people to marry and without any reason one should marry but still that is not obligatory and we can't make something obligatory by ourselves as this would be the "innovation" and to consider any innovation "Compulsory" is not allowed in Islam. I have read his complete posts and tried to summarize here, another important point of discussion is the Fatwa posted by brother murada001. I have discussed this fatwa in detail, u can read my posts for that. Here I would only say that under some circumstances in that Fatwa as well it is written that marriage becomes HARAAM. Its not only my point of view but the respected scholor also thinks same. I am writing all these just to clear my point, i m not forcing anyone that u must agree to my point. If you think that brother Zeenaeem has provided more reliable proofs u must agree with his thought, just make one thing clear that I AM NOT OPPOSING MARRIAGE BUT ONLY DISCUSSING THAT IS IT OBLIGATORY ( FARDH ) OR NOT, which as far as i have understood and heard from some scholors is not obligatory.[/quote]
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