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[quote]QUOTE OF MADAM SAADIA MALIK (With apology Please) Although this topic is different but meanings are also different. I can understand the remnants of the disputed topic being discussed in the distant forums in the occult way. QUOTE: I was talking for those who find themselves shocked by the expanses of a new culture, and as a result, seek to exercise the power of their speech and pen, to criticise, to influence. (November 19, 2004) Forum, “Muslim violence and West”. As you promised in one of your emails to me, I am feeling free to discuss with you. I respect you in my heart and kindly do not mind, let me free for a while to keep every thing in front of you. It must be remembered that my exercise of the power of my speech, pen, criticism and influence will feel absolutely NO discrimination among those who say or support something like 2+2=3. I have not joined this web site for spoon feeding me, nodding my head and saying Wah Wah Wah Wah only. I have all the sense to differentiate between black & white and red & white. I have also come across a mixture of the comments (like quoted above) by you, in some other forums too, like ignoring and putting such people like me into abyss. No doubt the people like me can be ignored but their exercise of the power of their speech, pen, criticism and influence can not be put into abyss which may run parallel in each and every forum till centrifuging only the truth on the surface which the people demand. But I assure that I will do admire the facts. I am not at all as being projected. I am sorry to say that I am wondered of these words by an Islamic researcher. What does it mean? Is putting such people into the abyss is the aim, success or failure of this website. Is purpose of this website is only to impose the knowledge being a perfect personality, not getting the knowledge from others considering them just stupid. Is it bigotry or bigotraaaa, the offenders of which consider themselves the contractors of Islam and paradise and furthermore consider themselves exempted from the accountability? Is abyss has some special username or password that is not known to the others? I am now really feeling that “Blood is thicker than water”. Isn’t it? What do you mean please by a new culture? I am sorry to say that, Is Quranic solution being not accepted because it is 1425 years old? Do people want a latest edition, Nauzbe-Allah, according to the new disco, burger family or violin family culture? I am sorry to say that the scholar have failed to define, new culture, old culture and bigotry. If someone is giving the reference of Quran for solution of some problem, Is it bigotry? Or “Blood is thicker than water”. I say, this is bigotry on the part of the scholars whose frustration is creating a fenestration in the foundation of the boat for transportation of the people to paradise. There must be some solution to satisfy logically such difficult students. Has God born such people to put into abyss? If the teacher has no answer, why does he try to blame the students? Am I wrong? . If I say about an evidenced based programme according to the national and international format, for the new concept presented, on which I am emphasising then why your research process seem to be paralysed here. Which types of researches do you do in Islam? What are the principles and the parameters? Let the new supposed culture/concept present to the concerned people who will show a huge dustbin; perhaps we do not know the market values and want to throw those into abyss who want to help knowing the principles to help the ailing people on the solid grounds. I agree with all to solve the problem but “Why is it being wanted to subject the people to an unproven strategy?” This is not the problem of one person but all of us. Suppose I advise this way of the treatment to some patient, what answer will I give to someone who ask me for the reference or ground on which I am standing. This is the only what I mean and want. I am wondered, “Why do people not accept healthy criticism”. “What is the wisdom behind it” Is it a product of the frustration as brother “thinking” from USA said? Mind that “Homosexuality guilt” is a pure health problem i.e. which is the domain of only health institutions and role of Islamic scholar is only to condemn “Homosexuality” or other related problems for which I will never interfere. Do not take “Homosexuality”, “Homosexuality guilt” and “Confronting the truth on present or past scholars” one and the same problem. These are three different entities. My objection is only on the way of treatment of “Homosexuality guilt” Is there no other option except the only unproven claim. I mean to use it through the proper channel so that it must help not only the patients but also all the undergraduate and postgraduate medical students to write their thesis and dissertations and the reference can be quoted anywhere in the world as a solid witness.That’s all. I hope that being an Islamic researcher you must have understood my point. As being emphasised in different forums indirectly, if the claims are appealing you, then help Mr. Junaid for his following quotes to convince others and me logically, to bring the truth forward. Quote1: I have made a claim based on my study and opinion. (November 12, 2004)-H.guilt Quote2: I have researched on this topic extensively. (November 16, 2004)-H.guilt Quote3: I am through with unfounded and baseless traditions. (November 12, 2004)-De sex… The moderator suggested that I need further reading and I admit, as every body is a student throughout the life. Please convince me logically to highlight the results of the studies done, separately for the each as the following headings, to create a base and the foundation of the claim, for the academic purpose to help the needy students. 1. Name and address (mailing & email) of the person (Psychologist/ Psychiatrist) under the supervision of which the study was conducted……….. 2. Type of the study…………………….. 3. Material & method of the study………. 4. Locality of the patients……………….. 5. Estimated duration of the study………. 6. Actual duration of the study………….. 7. Total number of the patients………….. 8. Mean age of the patients……………… 9. Median age of the patients:…………… 10. Sex of the patients…………………… 11. Race of the patients…………………. 12. Religion of the patients…………….. 13. Marital status……………………….. 14. Etiological factors……………………. 15. Predisposing factors………………….. 16. Symptomology………………………. 17. Concurrent disorders…………………. 18. Any addiction……………………….. 19. How many did need medical help?…. 20. How many were sentenced to jail?…… 21. How many were punished?…………… 22. True positive cases:…………………… 23. False positive cases………………….. 24. True negative cases………………….. 25. False negative cases…………………. 26. Sensitivity and specificity…………… 27. Incidence……………………………. 28. Prevalence…………………………… 29. ‘P’ Value…………………………….. 30. Formulae applied……………………. 31. Abstract……………………………… 32. Discussions………………………….. 33. Bibliography………………………… 34. Any others…………………………… 35. Name of the HEALTH JOURNALS (national or international) where published (with Vol, Year & page No)……. In health there is no hit and trial method but evidence based. I think, I have been assessed wrongly. I am not a religious fundamentalist but claimed according to the rules and regulations set all over the world regarding health. For example I can never project something on the basis of my own experience unless and until passed through a set process when it can not be denied by any one and is given the status of a text book for open practice. If we can read the medical books of Hindu authors like K. Das, PJ Kumar etc why not those of new Muslim authors. I MUST BE REMEMBERED THAT MY AIM IS NOT TO CONVINCE THE MODERATOR OR HIS HELPERS BUT TO CREATE THE AWARENESS FOR THE READERS ON THE LOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC BASIS. Mind that I am neither a scholar nor a Mullah. The Islamic knowledge I have, must be for a Muslim. My objection is on the basis of my training in the health institution. According to Allama Iqbal. Tundi o bade e mukhalif se na ghabraa ay uqaab Yeh to chaltii hay tujhe unchaa urhaney kay le a These Urdu words mean, “Do not worry (Eagle) if a fast wind blows in the opposite direction, this is to fly you high”[/quote]
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