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[quote]>> How do you define Itmamul Hujjah?

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What I can recall is that the Prophet comes to preach God's message. It is only he under the direction of God, who is able to guage whether the people are rejecting the message owing to inability to understand or owing to stubborn attitudes and heedlessness.

The message is not the ultimate truth, in my opinion, just what is presented to the people by the Prophet. No one is expected to know the ultimate truth of everything, but the basic truths as preached by the Prophets, i.e. issues of adultery, thievery, justice, charity, teh correct belief set etc.

>>Like knowing for sure that murder or rape or abuse is wrong, will that count as coming to itmamul Hujjah in a particular subject?

In my opinion, clear cut issues like murder, rape fall under the knowledge that man knows without doubt except for those who are psychologically ill. That is why the punishment of murder is death.

However, having said that, these are still not cases which incur Divine scourge. Divine scourge occurs when people reject the Prophet (who is unable to attain authority). The Prophet has to preach and then give warning of the scourge.

In case of Tsunami, there was no Prophet and no warning beforehand, therefore not a case of Divine scourge.

Also note that other places like Amsterdam, San Fransisco, coastline of Brazil are safe, is it that they are innocent whereas the Muslims of Indonesia are not? I think not![/quote]

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