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[quote][I received the following email in response to my answer]

Mr Jhangeer Assalamulaikum
 
There are two issues I shall address and sincerely hope you will see what I am talking about:
 
1.  I claimed you mistranslated the Quran.
 
In the link you given the translations are:(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/042.qmt.html)
042.038 
YUSUFALI: Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance; 
PICKTHAL: And those who answer the call of their Lord and establish worship, and whose affairs are a matter of counsel, and who spend of what We have bestowed on them, 
SHAKIR: And those who respond to their Lord and keep up prayer, and their rule is to take counsel among themselves, and who spend out of what We have given them. 
 
You spotted rightly that I gave the translation of Shakir.
 
The translation given by your study group initially in the weekly mail which is shown below in red is different from the 3 translations you gave in your recent reply. Can I refer back to the actual mail to which I responded (dated 20th September : weekly message) which states the translation as:
 
The affairs of state of the believers are run by their mutual consultation.
(42:38)

Following this basic argument once again I am making the same allegation that you have MISTRANSLATED THE QURAN.
 
The differences between the previous translation your group gave and the ones you mentioned are:
 
A.  Your group has changed 'your conduct' from the authoritative translations - and changed it to 'AFFAIRS OF STATE', and
 
B. Your group has not mentioned the whole verse.  They only mentioned the bit which is enough to suit the agenda of showing that democracy is coherent concept accepted by QURAN.  This is why I qiestioned the intention in MISTRANSLATING THE QURAN.
 
C. How can you put your understanding or anyone else's understanding as VERSE of QURAN? AFFAIRS OF THE STATE and 'your conduct' is clearly not the same thing.  ONE DOES NOT HAVE THE LIBERTY IN ALTERING THE VERSE OF QURAN BY CLAIMING HIS UNDERSTANDING TO BE THE VERSE OF QURAN. 
 
PROVED that you have MISTRANSLATED QURAN
 
Only they know and Allah knows whether it was done willfully or not.  I dont want to get into debating about your intention, however, your agenda was very much in line with the mistake - that is why I would not give you the benefit of doubt in this matter personally.  And in my understanding, to enhance your agenda they cherrypicked the translation which states 'mutual consultation' rather than cousel or consultation.  However, I dont doubt their intentions but these things makes me suspicious to the extreme.
 
2. ISSUE OF TAFSEER
 
It is irrelevant for the present purpose. Just few things for you to THINK
 
a. Mutual consultation - does it refer to democracy? the history of democracy, the way democracy is preached, Democracy as a tool to enhance capitalism lacking any concept of ALLAH. - any of these point towards consultation or Counsel used by Allah in Quran as democracy?  Refer back to the article I sent previously.
 
b. Mutual consultation in affairs does not mean that the political system is itself one of mutual consultation in terms of decision making.  I am not aware of any record of Mutual consultation having supreme power over Khalifah's decision when they are in a clash - neither in time of Prophet SW (pbuh) nor in the periods of Khulafaye Rashedeens.
 
c.  The sovereignty in an Islamic State is reserved for ALlah Subhanahuwataala.  Where does the sovereginty stay in a republic??? Who is God in the eyes of Republic State?
 
I shall try to go through some resources and chekc the tafseers on this issue.
 
Thats all for now and I hope you see the point I tried to make.  Please PUT THE WHOLE VERSE in the next weekly update and explain all the tafseers - not just the one that suits your agenda - but also the orthodox Islamic view that given Democracy is man made law and given the way it originated (as a compromised solution between Clergy and Atheists!) democracy and capitalism are not acceptable as taking these means to make laws which suprecedes laws of Sharia in economic, political and social affairs in the society.  These systems compartmentalise Islam simply as a religion like christianity which has no role in public affairs.  Hope you would be able to publish the article I sent (in PDF format by transfering it to Word format).  There is nothing more than Sincerity in seeking the truth that is expected from people who think they teach Quran.  Quran is not a compromised solution but the WORDS of ALLAH Subhanahutaala.  And there is much to worry if one who fiddles with this.  Sincerity is all one needs to see the truth.
 
Zajakallah Khayran
 
 
Naufal Zamir

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