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[quote]Bhavittre you copy/pasted the following claims :
[quote] 2. WIDTH OF THE GARDEN

There is a clear discrepancy with reference to the width of the Paradise or Garden in the Quran. Verse 3:133 says that it is all the heavens (Samawath: plural) and the earth combined. Verse 57:21 says that the width is the (lower?) heaven (Sama: singular) and the earth combined.

3:133) 
".... a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and the earth, prepared for the righteous,

(57:21) 
".... a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of the heaven and the earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah .... "
 [/quote]
 
Lets have a Muslim translation

57:21 Saabiqu (try to go ahead of one another/race with one another) for the Forgiveness of your Rabb (Lord, Creator, Cherisher, Sustainer, Protector, Controller……) and a Garden  the [b]width of which is like the width[/b] of the heaven and the earth, [b] prepared for those who have iman (real belief) in ALLAH and HIS Messengers[/b] That is the Bounty of ALLAH which HE gives to whomsoever HE Wills. And ALLAH is the Lord of Immense Bounty.

See that this is the Jannah (here translated as Garden for now, as I haven’t researched the term) is prepared for those who have iman (real belief) in ALLAH and HIS Messengers. (i.e. this is a necessary requirement stated here for this Garden )

3:133-136 And sari’u (rush/hasten/run/dash/be quick) towards Forgiveness from your Rabb (Lord, Creator, Cherisher, Sustainer, Protector, Controller….) and a Garden  [b]as wide as[/b] the heavens and the earth, [b] prepared for the muttaqin* (who guard/protect/save themselves) who spend in prosperity and adversity, and are in control of anger, and forgiving to people. And ALLAH loves The Muhsinin** (the excellent/righteous/good). And those who if they do a fahisha (vile deed/grave sin/adultery) or do wrong to themselves, remember ALLAH and ask for forgiveness  for their sins-----and who can forgive sins except ALLAH-----and do not persist in what they did and they know. Such people, their reward is forgiveness from their Rabb and gardens with rivers flowing under them, abiding for ever therein. And excellent is the reward of the practicing ones [/b]

So this is a necessary requirement for this Garden

The 2 Gardens are different and are meant for different types of people . One is as wide as the “heaven and the earth” and the other is as wide as the “heavens and the earth”. So this is bigger and the necessary requirements are also greater.

The first one is not telling about the first heaven, it just mentions a single heaven, what is the actual scope of a heaven is not known.
The second one is not talking about all the heavens but multiple heavens and again the scope and exact concept is not known.

Only ALLAH Knows the Real Truth

*Muttaqin 
**Muhsinin
InshaALLAH more indepth meaning or resource for these 2 words will be mentioned soon.

Edited by: asim2 on Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:39 PM[/quote]

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