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[quote][size=2]Salam brother, QUOTE :- I think that Hadith might not be said or compiled primarily on the scientific basis but if we see today, their wisdom and truthfulness they are quite compatible with the latest scientific facts. I shall quote a typical example of Hadith (Muslim- Book 33, No. 6392) about the creation of man in the womb with special reference to 40 days and it is found same today in the latest medical literature by the nonmuslim authors. Although brief steps of creation of man in the womb are mentioned in many Quranic verses but as far as my knowledge is concerned 40 days are not mentioned anywhere in Quran. 1426 year ago, who had told Mohammad (peace be upon him) about this matter? >>> How could you conclude that prophet Muhammad told this hadis? Imam Muslim born more or less than 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad and he collected hadith from various sources more than 215-230 years after the death of Prophet, then how could you say with certainty that those who had told the hadith to him were truthful? 2ndly, I told several times in this forum that Almighty Allah says “WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY OTHER SOURCE BESIDES QUR’AN AS RELIGIOUS SOURCE OF ISLAM”. 3rdly, suppose your quoted hadis is true, then I ask you, inspite of truthfulness of this hadis can we accept this as religious source of Islam? Lastly, let us see how far your quoted hadis is right according Qur’an. But first see what does say your quoted hadis; Book 033, Number 6392: Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported directly from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that lie said: When the drop of (semen) remains in the womb FOR FORTY OR FIFTY (DAYS) or forty nights, the angel comes and says: My Lord, will he be good or evil? And both these things would be written. Then the angel says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And both these things are written. And his deeds and actions, his death, his livelihood; these are also recorded. Then his document of destiny is rolled and there is no, addition to and subtraction from it. Now you commented on this hadis “about the creation of man in the womb with special reference to 40 days and it is found same today in the latest medical literature by the non-muslim authors”. >>> How much days brother, 40 days or 50 days after which man is created? 2ndly, where in this hadis it is said that man is created after 40 days’? Let us now see what the Nobel Qur’an says about this matter; I am producing some portion of an article regarding this issue written by Mr. Yedip Yuksel. Please read this very carefully. “SOUL DOES NOT APPEAR WITH CONCEPTION According to the Quran "a new creature" is created after certain stages of development. Here are two verses that summarize this evolution: “O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust, and subsequently from a tiny drop (sperm), which turns into a hanging (embryo), then it becomes a fetus that is formed or unformed. . “.(22:5). ”Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh, then produced a new creature. Most blessed is God, the best Creator”. (23:14) The later verse, in particular, gives more detail about the stages of creation in the uterus. From the above two verses we get a very clear picture of those stages: 1. Sperm 2. Embryo 3. Bite-size fetus (approximately two inches) a. Formation of bones b. Formation of flesh 4. Finally, a new creature It is obvious that "a new creature" does not come into existence with conception. Embryo, as an evolving biological organism, is not considered as a person. After a certain point in fetal stage soul (personality) emerges. When is the time of that crucial point? Verse 46:15 tells us that the total period for both pregnancy (Haml), and nursing (Fesaal) is 30 months. “We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him arduously, gave birth to him arduously, her bearing him and until his weaning takes thirty months. . .” (46:15) Verse 2:233 tells us the MAXIMUM nursing period as two FULL years, that is, 24 months. “Divorced mothers shall nurse their infants two full years, if the father wishes to complete the nursing . . .”(2:233) Therefore, from the above two verses we learn that the pregnancy period for a person is 30-24 = 6 months. We know that a normal pregnancy period is approximately 9 months, or more accurately 266 days or 38 weeks. (Rules and examples are based on normal or common cases.) In order to find the precise time of evolving fetus to person, we should express pregnancy period in terms of days: 6 months are equal to 180 days. Thus, the period of pregnancy that is not considered as bearing soul is 266-180=86 days. Therefore, under cross-light of the Quranic verses we may conclude that the fetus does not have soul, or personhood until 86 days after conception. So, Embryo is NOT considered as a "person" before 12 weeks in the uterus (46:15 and 2:233). This Quranic information about the process of creation, I believe, is a mercy from God Almighty who knows the trauma and dilemma of victims of rape and incest. Now you shall accept this information or reject it. [17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them. QUOTE (Zulfee): - Suppose I (Zulfee) am the chief executive of some institution. My subordinates are bound to obey me as the chief executive only and never as Zulfee to obey me what I personally command them to do every other task everywhere. It is very simple. >>> Actually, Mr Zulfee wants to say that his subordinates are bound to obey him as Chief Executive not as Mr Zulfee as we are bound to obey Muhammad as Messenger(Rasul) not as a person Muhammad (Personal command of Muhammad). But you people don’t want to understand this simple thing and you are trying to discard his argument by hook or by crook. I again say nowhere in the Qur’an it is said “Obey Allah & Obey Muhammad”. Always it is said “Obey Allah & Obey Messenger”. Samsher Ali. India.[/size=2] Edited by: ibrahim on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:17 AM[/quote]
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