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[quote][size=2]Quote: My question was ‘why people destroyed the original Qur’an, which Prophet Muhammad had dictated/written by his own hand’? >>> I do not know any ones mind of approach why they had destroyed it, but I ask was the preservation of Holy Quran depended upon only the hand written book of Muhammad (s.a), where as He ( Muhammad s.a) left no stone unturned in the regard of Preaching Islam & Holy Quran to the every corner of Arabia, and when time came they (People) took help from every one collectively and thus this Holy Book came again into its ORIGINAL FORM. This is an Extra Ordinary Example of Allah to collect HIS book from HIS own people. Quote: Its preservation has been proved to us by mathematical discoveries of the Qur’an but many could not under stand it. Since the revelation of the Qur’an until today there have been several attempts made to tamper with the Mos-haf. God told us in the Qur’an that the people will try to tamper with the Scripture so people think it is from God (3:78). [3:78] Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture, and they claim that it is from GOD, when it is not from GOD. Thus, they utter lies and attribute them to GOD, knowingly. >>> I again and again said that you change the sense of verses, the best example is above verse (3:78), which is quoted by you, and ITS MEANING IS NOT SO AS U MENTIONED TO TEMPER/CHANGE THE SCRIPTURE BUT this suits you well, that VERSES ARE THE SAME OF HOLY QURAN but THEIR TONGUE CHANGES ITS (VERSES) SENSE OF MEANING. I surprise some times even you DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE VERSES SUITS THEIR MEANING AND RIGHT PLACEMENT TO QUOTE? HOW YOU DARE TO APPLY SUCH A BIG CLAIM AGAINST THE HOLY QURAN’S IDEA OF BELEIVING. My Quote:- Allah did not divide or give party names i.e Shia, Sunni, Bralvi…..etc, WE HAVE MADE OUR SELF THESE. YOUR QUOTE: Then you are looser brother. You are not belong to Messenger >>> you did not understand brother, what I mean to say, I again say that the main source of all these parties is to obey Allah (which you also claim) but there is some contradictions among themselves to understand Allah’s Obeying as we have with you, but ALL THESE PUT THIER NAMES BECAUSE OF THEIR DIFFERENT SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING, AS WE HAVE WITH YOU, you also belong to a party whether you put your name or not BUT PEOPLE WILL PUT YOU SOMETHING.( I think they have put something but I do not know exactly). This is a reality you accept it or not… Quote: Moreover, suppose you are sunni. Do you not read salah according to your sunni company i.e. do you not read Juhr or Asr Salat in maintaining total silence? If yes, why? Please show a reference from the Qur’an in support of your opinion. If no, then how you read? >>> I will give reply of this soon….. Quote: So if you are a Sunnni, Shia ….etc. then you are not believer. >>> any reference from the Holy Quran that those who are sunni & shia are not believers…where as believing source is Allah and all these gather at the same centre as they are claiming so and you also claiming so…. Quote: Thus, the condition is evident that Muhammad the man, unlike Muhammad the messenger, shall be obeyed ONLY IF HE IS RIGHT. >>> Allah informed people step by step when and where he was right or wrong to be followed…. Quote: Neither Jesus, nor Muhammad, want to be idolized. Their sole function was to preach the worship of GOD ALONE. >>> I think you want to say obeying of Muhammad (s.a) is Idolizing, but I want to tell you that there is a BIG IDOL HIDDEN IN YOUR HEART THAT STOPS YOU TO OBEY HIM AND YOUR ARE PROSTRATED BEFORE YOUR THAT BIG HEART IDOLIZING IDOL. Quote: Hadith & Sunna advocates claim that Hadith & Sunna are needed to explain Quran. >>> how would you apply teaching of Holy Quran in your life with your own whims ? or will take help of any one else……….who will be he? Quote: Almighty Allah select him as messenger and also prophet, that does not mean he used his personal sayings for judging amongst the men. Was he? >>> if Allah gives him authority to spread its teaching UNDER HIS (ALLAH) OWN CONTROL AND ARGUE HIM (MUHAMMAD) WHERE HE IS RIGHT OR WHERE HE IS WRONG TO EASTABLISH AN EQUAL SOCIETY FOR THE MAN BY THE MAN. QUOTE: Who is your Judge brother. Is it Hadith? >>> You prove hadith wrong, and can also give your own idea of understanding in the regard of any quranic teaching, it is allowed to you. If you are right according to Quran. Quran is an open book to all, every one has right to know and understand it. And you know main PURPOSE OF TEACHING OF QURAN IS TO MAINTAIN OR RUN AN EQUAL SYSTEM AROUND THE WORLD AND THIS ONLY CAN BE DONE WHEN ALL COME TO GATHER AT A CENTRAL PLATEFORM ARGUEING WITH THEIR BEST. This is a fact…you accept it or not…… QUOTE: [5:43] WHY DO THEY ASK YOU TO JUDGE AMONG THEM, WHEN THEY HAVE THE TORAH, CONTAINING GOD'S LAW, AND THEY CHOSE TO DISREGARD IT? They are not believers. In the above verse Almighty Allah told that it was not required for them( Jews) to ask Muhammad for judging among them when they have the God’s revelations e.g. Torah. >>> AN other example of WRONG PLACEMENT OF VERSE AND ITS SENSE . Quote: Same question you repeated again & again. Do you think that your hadith speak & judge itself for you >>> Again you failed to give any satisfying answer and asked me a counter question, I already told you that if you dare to deny or reject history, then carry on and prove it with your own statement or sense of idea in the regard of applying Quranic Teachings in a life, Remember Quranic teaching’s main purpose is to run an equal system and not this that these are the Quranic verses and we have only to read these…. if you are right… Quote: Is everyone free to follow another person or take that person as a judge according to Qur’an? >>> No brother, Therefore it is said to follow a messenger’s teaching of Quran to provide an equally system otherwise if EVERY ONE FOLLOW ACCORDING TO OWN WHIMS THIS WORLD WOULD BE NO MORE, and ALLAH WANTED TO RUN AN EQUAL SYSTEM, AND SO A PROPHET CHOSE BY HIM OWN TO TEACH HIS TEACHING TO EVERY MAN BY A MAN….. SEE: (4:51) When it is said to them: "COME TO WHAT ALLAH HATH REVEALED, and TO THE MESSENGER": Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust. (33:36) And no Muslim man or woman has any right in the affair, when Allah and His Noble Messenger have decreed a command regarding it; and whoever does not obey the command of Allah and His Noble Messenger, has indeed clearly gone very astray. (4:65) But no, by the Lord, THEY CAN HAVE NO (REAL) FAITH, until they make THEE JUDGE IN ALL DISPUTES BETWEEN THEM, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction. (4:59) O ye who believe! OBEY ALLAH, AND OBEY THE MESSENGER, and Those Charged With Authority Among You. IF YE DIFFER IN ANYTHING AMONG YOURSELVES, refer it to ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER, if ye do believe in ALLAH AND THE LAST DAY: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. Here you would know slightly the difference between WORSHIP & OBEYING OF ALLAH. Specially Words “ if ye differ any thing among yourselves” shows that if we disagree each other THAN WE MUST TAKE THE PROBLEM TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSANGER TO BE SOLVED IN A GOOD MANNER.AND IF WE ONLY REFER TO HOLY QURAN, WE AGAIN SEE DISAGREEMENT AMONG OURSELVES TO UNDERTAND THE MEANING EQUALLY TO EACH OTHER, THEREFORE WITH THE CLOSE VIEW OF SUNNAH AND HIDITH with HISTORICAL EVEDENCE, WE WILL COME TO KNOW THE EXACT MEANING AT OUR BEST LEVEL OF HOLY QURAN AND if we do so THIS DOES NOT MEAN TO SAY THAT WE LOOK OTHER THAN QURAN AS MAIN SOURCE IS QURAN TO BE UNDERSTAND. ONE THING MORE, no one alone would be able to know exact meaning of Holy Quran what Allah mean so for………therefore try your best to know from Quran itself and if you do not UNDERSTAND YOURSELF, DO APPLY SUNNAH & HADITH ALONG WITH HISTORY, ABOUT WHICH ALLAH ALSO SAYS PEOPLE TO LOOK. Regards, A.Karime, Jacobabad[/size=2] Edited by: ibrahim on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:07 AM[/quote]
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