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[quote]This person 'Abinzain' has declared all kinds of music and singing haram without knowing what music and singing can mean. What ignorance!

The best of kalaam is the Quran majeed, and many of its verses are so poetic, rhyming and beautiful, the recitation is so lovely that you can sing them. If Allah subhana-o-taala can do beautiful poetry, then who are we to declare poetry haram!

The prophet on several occassions did not ban musical instruments or singing as we know from some hadith. I have already shown one before about Aisha (r.t.a.) watching the black dancers. It is not an exception like someone quoted. There are other cases:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 336:

Narrated Ar-Rubai bint Muauwidh:

The Prophet came to me after consuming his marriage with me and sat down on my bed as you (the sub-narrator) are sitting now, and small girls were beating the tambourine and singing in lamentation of my father who had been killed on the day of the battle of Badr. Then one of the girls said, "There is a Prophet amongst us who knows what will happen tomorrow." The Prophet said (to her)," Do not say this, but go on saying what you have spoken before."

He did not ban the playing of tambourine! He could have ordered it, but he did not.

Here is another one:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 229:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet was on a journey and a slave named Anjasha was chanting (singing) for the camels to let them go fast (while driving). The Prophet said, "O Anjasha, drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels!" Abu Qilaba said, "By the glass vessels' he meant the women (riding the camels)."

Again the prophet did not rebuke the singer or stop him from singing. Today the equivalent is people listen to radio or tape when driving on long journey. Same thing the Arabs did when going on long camel rides, one of them would sing or chant tunes. In this hadith, the prophet did not ban this action!

How dare we declare it haram?

Dear Abinzain, please only Allah and rasool may declare somehting haram - it is a big sin to declare something haram that Allah and rasool allowed. Do not take this big sin upon yourself.

The verse from Sura Luqman you keep quoting says nothing about music or singing. It talks about vain talk. True some kinds of music and singing is in that category, but not all, and you cannot declare it all as haram. Also there are other interpreations of the verse:

31.006
YUSUFALI: But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
PICKTHAL: And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.
SHAKIR: And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.

None of these three famous translators interpret idle talk as music or singing explicitly. What is the matter with you then?

Music and singing was a common thing in those times. If it is haram, then Allah would have clearly said so in a verse, and not alluded to it indirectly in a confusing manner by calling it vain talk or something different.

Conclusion is some music and singing is bad, and some is good. Good one can be glorificaion of Allah, reciting Allah's names, singing Allah's verses, using His creation to indirectly glorify Allah, use allegories to instil valor in Muslim youth and armies to fight enemy. You cannot declare it haram, you have no authority to do so, only Allah and rasool have authority and they did not declare this haram.

Keep an open mind, and study Islam. Dont be hard headed and narrow minded. Islam wants you to adop the middle way.

2.143 Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you.

What is the middle way, it is when you are not very strick, and not very leninent. The Jews are strick in their ways, the Christians are very lenient. The Muslims are the middle nation.

Assalam o alaikum.[/quote]

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