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[quote][size=2]Salam, What do you mean code 19 ?Does the Qur'an refer to code-19 ? >>> Please read my reply above. The Quran is in the heart of those who are blessed with knowledge (29.49). It is a numerically structured book (Kitabun Marqum), which is witnessed by those close to God (83.20,21), and not recognized by the rejecters (83.9,10). Even if idol worshipers add "verses" to the Quran, those who "have received knowledge" will be able to recognize God’s revelation. [83:18] Indeed, the book of the righteous will be in `Elleyyeen. [83:19] Do you know what `Elleyyeen is? [83:20] A numerically structured book. [83:21] To be witnessed by those close to Me. If you add or amalgamate a cheap element, say copper, to a golden ring, an expert who knows the property of the prime element gold, will be able to expose the counterfeit. The expert does not need to rely on the testimony of sellers who bring the gold to him. He will rely on the infallible testimony of the gold it-self. He will test and examine the physical properties of the matter and make his decision. Similarly, a believer who is blessed by God to know the mathematical structure of the Quran, which is based on the prime number nineteen, can easily distinguish the false from the genuine. In this sense, both the golden ring and the Quran are preserved from any falsehood. This is why The Most High emphasizes Himself in preserving the Quran. The preservation of the Quran is unique and extraordinary! It shares this feature with God’s signs (ayaat) in the nature ! Praise be to God, the Possessor of Infinite Bounties. Quote:- If this code 19 , or mathematic/numerical etc.. stuff was so important , why wasn't it referred in The Qur'an. >>> Who said to you this brother, that Code-19 was not referred in the Qur’an? The Miracle of the Qur’an had remained within the Qur’an from the first day of Its completion and only requires to be discovered. Quote:- And no one today has the right to invent a new bid'at like this. >>> Discovery of Mathematical Miracle of Qur’an is not bid’at because it remained within the Qur’an from the very fist day of Its completion. Rather, Your hadith & men-made Sunnah are bid’at, because these things were invented long after the completion of Qur’an & Islam. Quote:- How can you be sure about this mathematical stuff because ALLAH has sent down the Qur'an . And if anything was that important it should have been explained via the Qur'an. >>> Don’t need to be worried, brother. Mathematical Miracle explained by Almighty Allah via Qur’an, which is witnessed by those who close to God 83:20-21 and not recognized by the rejecters. Quote:- And regarding this Qur'an and Sunnah forum in general, I would suggest that all the relevant Ayaat of the Qur'an should be analyzed together . i.e. Use you reasoning to come to a correct interpretation and DON'T use a few Ayaat on this issue or incomplete Ayaat quotations as evidence to prove your point. >>>But brother, you did not even apply this theory for your own life. If you read the verse 15:9 alongwith 85:21-22, you will definitely see that Almighty Allah did not promise to preserve the Mos-haf of Qur’an Quote:- Our approach must be to find the accurate facts and not just defending our opinion or our favourite scholar's opinion by quoting selected Ayaat . >>>But, brother you have been doing exactly this since long by hook or by crook. I told several times in this forum that we should follow only Qur’an as our only religious source of Islam and in support of my opinion I quoted several verse from the Qur’an to prove it, but you and your team did not accept this. 2ndly, you & your team always say that we should accept men-made hadith & sunnah as religious source of Islam besides Qur’an, but unable to prove yours statement from the Qur’an, even you could not give a single reference from the Qur’an in support of your opinion. Conclusion: I told several times in this forum that the subject of the debate, first started between me & Mr. Tariq Hashmi, was whether we should accept the only Qur’an as religious source of Islam or not. Almighty Allah clearly told in the Qur’an that we should not accept any other source as source of Islam besides IT(i.e Qur’an). Regarding Code-19 theory of the Qur’an, this is another subject and completely different from the 1st one. To understand the Code-19 theory you have to remain some qualification/knowledge about numerology and it is not possible for everyone to gain this. But to know the simple command of Almighty Allah you do not require any qualification. Generally speaking the Quran contains five types of verses: 1- Law giving: These are the verses that include all the rituals, the prohibitions, and the laws of God. 2 - Warning: These are the verses that warn against disobeying God. These verses usually include an assigned punishment. 3- Narrative: Like the verses that relate the stories of previous prophets....etc. 4.-Informative: These can also be narrative of previous people or could also be scientifically informative (e.g. verses that relate to the creation of the universe, geology or embryology ...etc). 5-Reflective: Like the verses that speak of matters related to the creation of the universe, or those that contain parables.....etc. It is the first two types of verses that we will be held accountable to on judgment day. Thus no one will be thrown into hell for not knowing that the number of heavens is seven as in (Sura 2, verse 29), or for not knowing that God supported Moses with nine miracles as in (Sura 17, verse 101), or that the tribe of Saleh was called Thamoud as in (Sura 11, verse 61). On the other hand, we will all be held accountable if we should give false testimony, deceive orphans of their money or associate any name with the Name of God. The Quran was not only revealed for the intellectuals or the scholars, but also for the unlearned and simple folk who may not be as clever. For that specific reason, and because God is the Most Fair, He deliberately made sure that these law giving verses in particular, and by which we will be held accountable to, are very clear and straightforward. God distinguishes between the clear straightforward verses (the law giving in particular) and between other verses which may interpreted in more than one sense: “He sent down to you this scripture, containing authoritative verses, which constitute the essence of the scripture, as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this-all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.” 3:7 Moreover, it is because God's justice and fairness that the law giving verses are made very clear and straight-forward. Thus no injustices will be inflicted on anyone. This is made quite clear in the Quran in numerous verses such as : “God does not inflict an atom’s weight of injustice.” 4:40 An example of the law giving verses that are quite straightforward is the verse that specifies the steps of ablution: “O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall wash your faces, wash your arms to the elbows, wipe your heads and wash your feet to the ankles.” 5:6 This simple order from God is put in such simple and direct words that it can hardly be expressed in simpler or more direct words. [6:70] You shall disregard those who take their religion in vain, as if it is a social function, and are totally absorbed in this worldly life. REMIND WITH THIS (QURAN), LEST A SOUL MAY SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF ITS EVIL EARNINGS. …………………….” [50:45] We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, REMIND WITH THIS QURAN, THOSE WHO REVERENCE MY WARNINGS. [7:193] When you invite them to the guidance, they do not follow you. Thus, it is the same for them whether you invite them, or remain silent. O.K. brother. I have said a lot…….. in this subject. I don’t want to proceed further. It is your choice either you accept this or not. But I will never accept your thought/theory that we should take men made hadith & sunnah as 2nd source of Islam besides Qur’an, because does not permit me to do so. So you do your own job and I am doing my job. Khuda Hafiz, Samsher[/size=2] Edited by: ibrahim on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:31 AM[/quote]
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