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[quote]Dear usman bhai,

please read what you just wrote:

[quote]In the case of Abu Bakra, the fault wasn't his own but simply by a legal technicality where the fourth witness retracted his statement, then the shari'i principle was implemented against him."
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Does it make sense to implement part of sharia that we like and part of it that we don't like? You agree with me that the Quran clearly says to flog him 80 stripes and reject his testimony. So we flog him, but since we like what he says, we accept his hadith! What hypocrisy is this?

[quote]Most scholars consider it an honour for him (ra), because he refused to lie and withdraw his testimony and preferred punishment instead. This is part of his (ra) standing for the truth[/quote]

If he said the truth, then it is good for him. But if he lied, then we are following a liar. Allah knows best. Meanwhile we should follow the sharia and reject his testimony as Allah commanded (whether it be truth or false does not matter any more). In your own words:

[quote]if you accuse someone of adultery, you must produce 4 witnesses and if you cannot produce 4 witnesses then the witnesses themselves are supposed to get whipped and declared unreliable[/quote]

Please explain to me how accepting his testimony is not a clear violation of the Quran?

Why should we hold the word of Ibn-Kathir or Bukhari or anyone else over the word of Quran? From what I understand, the Quran comes first, and humans make mistakes.

Edited by: oosman on Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:02 PM[/quote]

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