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[quote]Bismillaah was salaamu alaykum I was enjoying reading this discussion of this important subject. jazaakum Allaahu khayran for the benefit to me. I was concerned about a few things that maybe can be clarified for me. I know that in a nutshell Sunnah applies without a doubt to Prophet Muhammad salla llaahu alayhi was sallam. I think everyone agrees with that. There is the Qur'aan (Allaah) Sunnah (Prophet). The subject of "Hadith" is being used to cloud something very important. It is not really important (in defining sunnah) whether some hadith are valid and others invalid. We know that the ones that are invalid are false and the ones that are valid are - well valid. the ones that are valid contain in them the authentic sayings, doings and approvals of Prophet Muhammad and that is his Sunnah. By using "vague" terms like "practical aspects of the religion" leaves it wide open for people to say the sunnah is whatever is comfortable for them. If a hadith is authentic such as the Prophet Muhammad saying that my Lord Commands me to trim the Mustache and keep the beard, a person who does not want to keep his beard can say he goes with Sunnah as "practical aspects of the religion". and since McDonald's won't let him have a job with a beard, the beard must not be considered from the sunnah of Allaah's Messenger. I wanted to say to this. The following statement was used in reference to making a distinction between Qur'aan (and Sunnah) in transmission and Hadith in transmission. [red](That leave Some DOUBT in it). That's why the 1st transmission is Known as "Khaber-e-Twatur" & the 2nd transmission is Called "Khabr-eWahid" technically.[/red] This is not true. This distinction in Islaam has been used between different types of ahaadith themselves. And the truth is that the same people who preserved and assured that we have the same Qur'aan that Prophet Muhammad salla llaahu alayhi was sallam and his companions had are the same people who passed down the ahaadith. It is incredible how people can believe the Qur'aan is really what the people had in those times and it made it safely through all those hands and can not see the ahaadith likewise. The ahaadith were being described as "person to person" instead of "generation to generation". One would imagine that every hadith you read was Person A talking to Person B. this is not true. many were Person A talking to a group of people B's. The ahaadith were taught to the people, etc. But as to this statement: [red]Does it make sense to implement part of sharia that we like and part of it that we don't like? You agree with me that the Quran clearly says to flog him 80 stripes and reject his testimony. So we flog him, but since we like what he says, we accept his hadith! What hypocrisy is this?[/red] Allaah did not rule out the validity of Abu Bakra as a narrator by this ayah. It is easy and plain to see that in this place Allaah is saying to us to not accept the testimony of the person in this case that they are bringing. The punishment for not being able to provide four witnesses addresses the person. And it that case is is more for the purpose of seeing to it that people are very hesitant about exposing such a matter if it is true, as well as fabricating such a matter if it is not true. So in truth, it was not PROVEN that he lied in that instance. What was proven, if you research the matter is that he fell short of the number of witnesses. That is different from proving someone a "liar". He was not proven a liar, he just was not exempt (which shows the justice of the khalif) from the rule to have four witnesses. Did anyone from among the Sahaaba brand him a liar? So how can we precede them and take it upon ourselves to do that? This is brave. I hope that addresses this: [red]Please explain to me how accepting his testimony is not a clear violation of the Quran?[/red] I believe the following statements are clearly from following our desire: [red]Why should we hold the word of Ibn-Kathir or Bukhari or anyone else over the word of Quran? From what I understand, the Quran comes first, and humans make mistakes.[/red] If you had a portion of their knowledge and taqwaa you would know what they know about this verse and you would know that they feared Allaah enough to not willingly contradict him. What you said next is your own evidence: [red]I am sure they were aware of the verse. That is why it is more serious, we should know why they did something so contradictory to the holy Quran.[/red] Do you think you could write tafsir of Qur'aan? You are right. They were well aware of the verse, but you left one thing out: "AND ITS MEANING". Then you said: [red]I do not know why Ibn-Kathir, and Imam Bukhari accepted his hadith, but I cannot accept something so against the directives of the holy Quran.[/red] So why not ask them? Why not read their work that they put so much real time into and see what they came up with? I see a great deal of talk about relying upon the intellect. Like when you said: [red]Allah has given us intellect. We should use it instead of blindly following the sayings of the mideaval scholars.[/red] First we should know that the 'asl (principle) in methodology at getting at what is correct in Islaam is to follow the rule that the Nakhl (transmissions of information in revelation - Qur'aan and Sunnah) takes precedence over the 'aql (intellect). It would be very oppressive to cut the people loose in the world relying on their intellects. And it seems there is some "issue" with the Scholars being from "older" days. You dare call them "midieval". subaan Allaah. No, rather, they were closer to the time you are trying to sort out today then you are. And Allaah knows best. May Allaah's Prayers and peace be upon His Messenger, his family and companions Ameen. Was Salaamu Alaykum Abu Jamiylah[/quote]
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