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[quote]Salam brother Oosman, You said “I understand your opinion, but I do not agree with it as you have failed to prove your point”. Where brother I failed? I proved from the Quran that there is no mentioned about due salat (Kaza salat). Since the Quran is complete and fully detailed and since there is no reference in the Quran about missed prayer, then logically we cannot say that praying due salat is a part of Islam. Rather you opined that praying due salat is a part of Islam, yet you could not provide any reference from the Quran in support of your opinion. Then why do I agree with you brother? Probably you believe that quran is not fully detailed so you took the help of other books called Ahadith and so you opined that way. I don’t care about your this attitude, because I know that if we accept any other source as our source(religious)of Islam then it will be fallen under the category of SHIRK with Almighty Allah. Brother I don’t want to do shirk with Almighty. If you do, it will be your choice, I don’t care. You Said:- I have given you my evidence, but you refute it. Can we agree to disagree on this matter and put it to rest?” My Reply:- You claimed wrongly. Brother you did not still able to provide any reference from the Quran in support of your any opinion. Let us see your opinion, which you sent through this particular mail and try to see how far it will be acceptable. You Said:- Iblees was never an angel, please provide reference for this. It is true he was among the ranks of the angels, but he was still a jin. My Answer:- Could you please tell me what is the definition of the rank of Angels and also Iblees? Now Please see; (2:30-34) Recall that your Lord SAID TO THE ANGELS, "I am placing a temporary ruler on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know." He taught Adam all the names then presented them to the angels, saying, "Give me the names of these, if you are right." They said, "Be You glorified, we have no knowledge, except that which You have taught us. You are the Omniscient, Most Wise." He said, "O Adam, tell them their names." When he told them their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of the heavens and the earth? I know what you declare, and what you conceal." WHEN WE SAID TO THE ANGELS, "Fall prostrate before Adam," THEY FELL PROSTRATE, EXCEPT SATAN; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever. (7:11) We created you, then we shaped you, then WE SAID TO THE ANGELS, "Fall prostrate before Adam." THEY FELL PROSTRATE, EXCEPT IBLEES; he was not with the prostrators. (15:28 – 31) Your Lord SAID TO THE ANGELS, "I am creating a human being from aged mud, like the potter's clay. "Once I perfect him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him." THE ANGELS FELL PROSTRATE; ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT IBLIS. He refused to be with the prostrators. (17:61) WHEN WE SAID TO THE ANGELS, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they FELL PROSTRATE, EXCEPT SATAN. He said, "Shall I prostrate to one You created from mud?" (20:116) Recall that we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused. (38:71 - 74) Your Lord said to the angels, "I am creating a human being from clay. "Once I design him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him." THE ANGELS FELL PROSTRATE, ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT SATAN; he refused, and was too arrogant, unappreciative. From All the above verses and many more it transpires clearly that Almighty God said to the ANGELS to fall prostrate before Adam. So Almighty Allah ordered to the ANGELS and all the Angels fell prostrate except Iblees. The sentence “THE ANGELS FELL PROSTRATE, ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT SATAN(IBLEES)” clearly means Iblees was also amongst the Angels not only Jin as you opined. Now I ask you ‘could you please give any reference from the Quran that Iblees WAS only a Jin not an angel’? You Said:- You have given a detailed reply again with lot of verses, but you have missed the point totally. You said a person who is unbeliever Allah does not accept his prayer. You said an unbeliever at time of death, his sins will not be forgiven. But I am not talking about such a situation. I am talking about a person who is unbeliever, but seeing death he becomes a believer, then Allah saves him, after that person goes back to unbelief. This shows that Allah does accept prayers from such people. My Answer:- I did not miss any point rather you brother. I simply told you that ‘Almighty Allah does not accept the prayers of unbelievers’ and it has already proved by me through the Quranic verses. Now please come to your saying; You told in your mail that “a person who is unbeliever, but seeing death HE BECOMES A BELIEVER, then Allah saves him”. Brother you made this sentence, not me. Your above made sentence too means that Almighty God accepts only the prayer of believers. Please consider this; If a person ask for repentance to God for his previous sins, then God accepts his repentance and after repenting and after becoming a believer if this person prays to God then he no longer a disbeliever and almighty Allah accepts his/her prayer because he is a believer. But brother, you can’t understand this simple point. 4:17 Repentance is acceptable by GOD from those who fall in sin out of ignorance, then repent immediately thereafter. GOD redeems them. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise. 4:18 Not acceptable is the repentance of those who commit sins UNTIL DEATH comes to them, then say, "Now I repent." Nor is it acceptable from those who die as disbelievers. For these, we have prepared a painful retribution. You said:- And however you may want to rationalize the example of Iblees, it was simply that he requested Allah as an unbeliever, and Allah accepted his request. Already brother maskxone corrected your wrong interpretation that Iblees was not unbeliever rather he was a rejecter. You said:- I see no point in continuing this conversation. My Answer:- It is your choice. You cannot suppress the truth. Minara.[/quote]
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