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[quote]Wa-alaykum Assalam, Q:-We are having a dialog and trying to find out the truth. You are being arrogant in assuming you already know the truth. This is not a good method for an open debate. A:- Brother, I am not arrogant, rather you. Your ego, yes it is your ego, which does not permit you to accept the quranic truth. Q:- The verses you have quoted about Allah asking the angels to prostrate to Adam and they prostrated except Iblees, they all only prove my point that he was among the ranks of the angels. None of the verses you quoted explicitly say he was an angel. A:- Alas! You could not yet to understand a simple matter. Almighty Allah here ordered only to the Angels to prostrate before Adam. HE did not order to the Jin & Angels as you think. “ All the angels prostrated before Adam EXCEPT Iblees”, this simple sentence clearly means that Iblees was also an angel. Let me try to demonstrate the subject; A class teacher told his students that ‘tomorrow you shall remain present in this classroom at 9 a.m.’. The very next day all the students were remained present in the said classroom EXCEPT ‘ONE’. Now will it be right to say that the above mentioned ‘ONE’ is not a student? No. In the same way Almighty God ordered to the Angels to prostrate before Adam and all the angels prostrate before him EXCEPT Iblees.(2:30-34, 7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74). In this case Iblees was also an angel. After he rebelled to Almighty God, he became the first Jin. Now you said that Iblees was among the RANKS ?????? of Angels. How could you know that the rank of Iblees was the same as the rank of Angels? Where in the Quran it is said? Can you prove it from the Quran? Q:- It is the style of the Quran that Iblees is referred to as an angle because he is included in their ranks, but not explicitly called an angel anywhere. Show me where Quran explicitly calls him an angel? A:- You should read all the verses mentioned above and should use your brain. 7:179 We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware. Q:- [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am better than he, You created me from fire, and You created him from clay." 38.76 Iblees was made of fire - angels are not made of fire. Also Iblees had a free will to disobey Allah, angels do not have a free will. Therefore Iblees cannot be called an angel. A:- Whether Angels were made of fire or not, the above verse does not say this. The above mentioned verse only means that Iblees was made of fire and Adam was created from clay. How could you know that Angels were not made of fire? Pl. give me reference from the Quran. In this world there are many creatures, which have no free will, does this mean that they are all angels as because they have no free wills!!! Q:- There are different interpretations of your quoted verses. If you do not agree with my interpretation, it is fine with me. It is also the interpretation of scholars like Ibn-Khathir that Iblees was a jin. Allah will judge which is the correct interpretation - A:- I never told that Iblees is not a jin, I simply told that before rebelled to Almighty Allah he was amongst the Angels and after rebelled he became a Jin. Q:- but do not be arrogant by saying you are right and everyone else is wrong. Only Allah knows. A:- Then do you want to say that your opinion, about the subject under consideration, may be wrong? Q:- Regarding answering of prayers, I believe that if anyone asks Allah for something (not ask some stone god or idol but ask Allah), then Allah may answer the prayer. There is no criteria that the person has to be a Muslim. A:- Tell me brother what is the definition of Muslim? Q:- Allah says: And your Lord said: "Invoke Me, I will respond to your (invocation). Verily! Those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!" 40.60 Allah does not put any preconditions to the invocations, only it is your whim. Allah invites anyone, Muslim or non-muslim, to call on to Him. A:- Smile. It is not my whims rather yours. firstly please look into the Qur’an for the definition of ‘Muslim’. Secondly, the above verse does not say about Salat(namaz). The above verse says only about Invocation/Imploration. Almighty God says in the above verse that “Invoke me, I will respond you’. To mean ‘Namaz’, Almighty God only used the Arabic word “Salat” in the Quran and nothing else. Salat should be offered at specific times, but we can implore or invoke to Almighty Allah at any time. Q:- Regarding late prayers, Allah does not say anywhere he will not accept late prayers. The verse you quoted says prayers should be offered at proper times. It does not say they will be rejected otherwise. Show me where Quran says late prayers will be rejected? It is only your whim. A:- What a ridiculous!! Why Almighty Allah tells us that late prayers will be rejected? Almighty Allah told us in the Quran that salat should be offered at its specific times. Now think if He also said us that due salat can be offered at any time, then will it not be the contradiction??? Brother there is no contradiction in the Quran(4:82). I told you again & again that Quran is fully detailed, complete & perfect. Almighty Allah has said whatever he had to say to humanity in its finality, totality, and completeness in the Quran (6:115, 6:38, 10:37, 5:48). Therefore, our relationship to Allah is only through His book, the Quran and nothing else. Since Quran says us that we must offer our regular salat at SPECIFIED TIME (4:103), so it is our duty to offer our salat at its specific time. Since the Quran is complete and fully detailed and since there is no reference in the Quran about missed prayer, then logically we cannot say that praying due salat is a part of Islam. But brother you can’t understand this simple logic!! Alas!! As Quran is fully detailed & complete, then you please show me where Quran says that late prayers will be accepted? Minara.[/quote]
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