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[quote][quote][quote They may say so, but Allah has not required it or implied it.  so that point is irrelevant.[/quote]

But according to your article:

Lane’s Lexicon: -

“A woman's muffler, or veil with which she covers her head and the lower part of her face, [b]leaving exposed only the eyes[/b] and part or whole of the nose, such is the خمار worn in the present day: a kind of veil which in Turkish is called يشمق; a woman's head-covering.”[/quote]

Yes, but Lisan al Arab and the other source did not put that as one of the meanings, it just says that its is what a woman covers her head with.

Also, Lane alludes "such is the خمار worn in the present day" meaning that this is a meaning he is either deriving or seeing in his modern day.  In the last he, like lisan al arab, puts, a woman's headcovering.

Please junaid and the rest, stop looking for insincere and illogical reasons to be more liberal.  Just accept the reality that women MUST cover their heads and neck/chest with their khimar.

And on the point of logic, words CAN have shades of meaning, we choose the one that best suits the context, the khimar in the Qur'an merely states that only what is (necessarily) apparent can be left so, and I gave you the other ayah which tells men to lower their gaze from women, implying that something could be apparent.

Qur'anically, the range of meanings for khimar could potentially be from covering the face except the eyes (minimum exposure) to uncovering the whole face (maximum exposure).  Depending on what needs to be exposed.  This is the only flexibility I see.

Edited by: marwan on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:45 PM[/quote]

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