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[quote]Few Clarifications/Reminders/Gestures of Thnx

Thnx to Waseem who at least accepted that 4:34 does mean gentle beating under “Darab”. That’s what I wanted at this stage. May I assume that the Moderator, thanking Waseem, means she echoes his opinion????

Waseem, I believe we were not discussing if corporal, moral or mental persecution of Women in the light of Quran is permissible, mandatory, encouraging or otherwise. If you wish, we may opt for it, but through the Moderator only. I did bring the example of Polygamy but just to substantiate my claims about the current debate. Alas! Moderator evaded it, calling it beating about the bushes. Never mind, no issues.

Resp. Moderator, regretfully u did not post a direct answer against any of my argument so far. In monthly Renaissance we already have an official voice of Q service about the matter, I’m afraid what u want to know further. Ok u suggest me a Q and I’ll put to Q Service.

Waseem, I believe very first thing in this debate is to see if Allah (s.w.t.) allowed Husband to beat his Wife gently as a last resort to correct her negative attitude, since you agreed on it, so I’m happy till here.

Next in the debate is that “Does 4:34 stands revoked in U.K./US/Europe and stands valid in Saudia/UAE/Pak. etc? I believe this is not the case as till today, including SI/Almawrid Scholars, none call it a revoked (Mansookh) verse.

Next in line comes that 4:34 has a context and that context does not exist any more, then pls. you tell me that today have Wives attained immunity to an attitude identical to one that is described in Quran. I believe No, instead, today’s Wives are much more vulnerable to adopting negative attitude as described in Quran.

Further, I have mentioned in my messages, completely overlooked by you and the Moderator, that this very verse 4:34 is not super imposing over the State’s regulations and if State debars Men from beating wives then one must obey it. Besides, in the countries where it is not a punishable crime to beat wives, there too Men should resort to some peaceful alternatives, as it is not the norms of today’s society (Pls. have a go to my earlier messages, I believe you’ll find consensus).

I believe its pretty clear from me. Dear Mod. if you play a Mod. then be ready always to stand in Katehra (Witness Box), else play a novice, none would mind and u'll be spared.

Ma’salam

Kashan
Dubai[/quote]

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