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[quote]AOA

[quote] brother ! this verse from part ofthe fatwah of Usma bin Laden. Do you feel these verses are applicable today and tomorrow, or were they specific to the time of prophet pbuh? [/quote]

I must confess my complete ignorance. I had no idea that he also uttered similar words. I pay very little attention to him. However even he might occassionally utter some truth.

[quote] (Al-Baqarah 2: 190 - 193)

And fight in the way of God, against those who fight you, and do not transgress [this limit]; Indeed, God does not like the transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they turned you out; for persecution is worse than killing; but do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they [start to] fight you there; but if they fight you, then slay them. Such is the reward of the rejecters. But if they desist [from their rejection], then God is very Forgiving, Most Merciful. And keep fighting them until there is no more persecution, and religion becomes solely for God; but if they desist [from fighting against you], then there shall be no war except against those, who are bent upon injustice [/quote]

I think you need to read the verse very carefully & tell me what is that you consider in there that does not apply to humanity at any stage of its evolution. Let us break the above into points

[quote] And fight in the way of God, against those who fight you, [/quote] 
Unlees you are pacifist why should you not defend yourself. Are you seriously suggesting that we should lie down in face of aggression. It does not state to initiate fighting.

[quote] and do not transgress [this limit]; Indeed, God does not like the transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they turned you out;  [/quote]

The verse is even telling you not to go beyond defending against the aggressors i.e do not harm the innocent (that is my interpertation)

[quote] for persecution is worse than killing; but do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they [start to] fight you there; but if they fight you, then slay them. Such is the reward of the rejecters. [/quote]

Humans always have & always will continue to fight against persecution. The verse is stating the obvious moral point.

[quote] But if they desist [from their rejection], then God is very Forgiving, Most Merciful. And keep fighting them until there is no more persecution, and religion becomes solely for God; but if they desist [from fighting against you], then there shall be no war except against those, who are bent upon injustice  [/quote]

i.e only fight those that inflict injustice.

Timeless surah for me. Which bit do you find objectionable?

AOA  Kashan

Is it my ego? Perhaps! I will let God judge me on that.

I am fairly clear on the meaning as you yoursself have pointed out the word can have different meanings. I cannot see God wanting wife beating under any circumstances but if you are happy with this then that is fine.

I am no expert in Arabic so no point in engaging in detailed discussion regarding evolution of the Arabic language. I was merely quoting what my Arab friends have told me. Although interstingly the example of the word for camel would support what they had told me rather than your point regarding dialect.

I did use to take the translations of the Quran as being accurate it is only after considerable effort i have realised how inaccurate and misleading many of the translations are.

Take care 
regards[/quote]

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