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[quote][purple]some interesting reponses as below to the comments of the brother who objected on this. also i hv come across the fact from a bit of my own research and from one of jag's Q&A that the jummah pryr was supposed to be lead by the ruler of the state(obviously keeping in mind the original purpose of this prayer, where the ruler/governor/sheriff of that area not only gives a piece of moral advice to the local public, but also touches on current affairs etc. if we are not living in those circumstances and imams of individual masjids are leading this prayer, then we will have to find a good reason to make this issue gender dependent) let me know if different thx. wassala'm h[/purple] AA I for one am still waiting for our respected Ulema to come up with a rational and thorough rebuttal of Sr Amina's opinion. Sadly those published by Yusuf Qaradawi, Hamza Yusuf, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and others have all been so poor that thy only serve give weight to her stance. If anyone has something more robust I would be pleased to see it. Wassalam Dawud Dawud Bone Muslim Chaplain The University of Warwick 024 761 50667 d.bone@warwick.ac.uk If this topic is going to be dealt with in a good way let us start off by observing good adab. Sr Amina has, to my satisfaction at least, produced an explanation for her opinion that is AT LEAST THE EQUAL of those rebuttals by the biggest names from amongst the recognised Ulema. If there is a sound and thorough rebuttal this must of necessity be completely free of disparaging terms such as 'so called female ulema'. The issue itself must be addressed and not the character or competency of those presenting their opinions. This is precisely the mistake that has rendered many of the responses so far useless. It should be beneath any genuine scholar to attack an individual rather than their argument. I could easily respond to these one line comments as could many other brothers and sisters but it would be much more productive if someone could post a full and detailed response so that all comments are relevant rooted in ilm. May Allah guide us all and make all safe from each other's pens and tongues. Dawud Bone Muslim Chaplain The University of Warwick 024 761 50667 d.bone@warwick.ac.uk salam you are right amar "um Waraqa" requested permision to lead prayer within household as no male was capable of that there and then. permissin was granted for this purpose. the fact that she had to ask for permit for excemption from the general ruling and the conditional approval, clearly shows the ruling. basil AA In addition, can anyone shed any context to this statement by Taj Hargey, "…even within the Hadith there is a woman called Umm Waraqa whom the Prophet allowed to lead prayers in a household and to teach her neighbour." WS AMAR salam pleaase remmeber that rules regarding leading jama'at prayer are different to those regarding leading juma'a. it is not the one who knows most quran that lead juma'a. remember hazret Omar may allah be pleased with him led juma'a when he was the leader although many others knew more quran than him. Zayd the man who was in charge of combiling the quran in one book at the time of the first and third khaleefa was never reported to have lead Juma'a in madeena! the story of um warqa was about jamat prayer not juma'a. allah knows best basil salaam doing a web search is hardly seeking an answer on this issue, but here is one. Am going to actually do some further reading. I dont dispute the most versed in Quran should lead salaah, my issue is if it was permissible for sisters to lead men in salaah than why wasn't it widely practised in the Prophet's time? http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503549612&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar AA I remember being intrigued to read in Khalid Abu al Fadl's intro to Amina Wadud's Gender Jihad, that Gamal al Banna (younger brother of Sheikh Hasan) had written a book in her defence. In this interview Gamal Al Banna has an interesting perspective on the issue, "The name of my fourth book [on the status of women] is A Woman Is Permitted to Lead Men in Prayer and it is about what happened in the U.S., when Amina Wadud led Friday prayers and gave a sermon.[Many] fatwas stated that she was an apostate, while I have proven that this is permitted. This is because the Prophet determined that the one most worthy of leading prayers is the one who is the most thoroughly versed in the Koran. He determined that a young boy could lead adults in prayers, because [the boy] was the most thoroughly versed in the Koran. He stated that a slave or a non-Arab who converted to Islam [mawla] could lead prayers for the senior Sahaba [Companions of the Prophet] because he was the most well-versed of them all in the Koran... That is, the one qualified to lead prayers is the one who is well-versed in the Koran. If a woman is more well-versed in the Koran than the men, is it logical that we should prefer an ignorant man over a well-versed woman, arguing that he is a man and she is a woman? Islam does not recognize this discrimination between men and women, particularly on the issue of the commandments that are between the individual and his God..." Before you draw any conclusions, I'd recommend you read the full interview; http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA33407 Ws mazhar[/quote]
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