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[quote]>>They had a leader (the prophet or khalifah) who had the final say.

Yes, but that Caliph was answerable to criticism  by the Council. His decisions were based on the people's consensus.

>>The two of us are in disagreement. Do you think there is any iota of possibility we could have consenus?

Our disagreement has to do with our understanding of the Koran and its purport. We are not making decisions here that affect us both. There is a difference. If there were a decision to be made, I would deem a consensus to happen with both sides yielding a bit and adopting a middle ground. Makes sense?

>> He is not sleeping with her, only proposing to her, why would a man be reprimanded for asking a woman this question?

For the simple reason, that while fornication is forbidden, even approaching toward it is severly condemned. That is why relations with the opposite gender are discouraged.

A man who proposes, must have set his eyes upon a woman, when he was ordered to lower his gaze. He must have thought about her, let himself be raptured,  and then making use of the loophole in the law, went ahead to justify and legalize his indiscretionary actions.

>>Lets say in my scenario, the orphan's wali approaches the man and gives her hand in marriage to him. He has not even seen the girl or talked with her.

Before I answer this, let me know which man in his right frame of mind will accept the hand of a woman he has not seen. For all I could say, no one is so naive?

Anyways, Oosman I will leave the discussion here.[/quote]

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