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[quote]Asa oosman

[orange]you said "Where do you get the idea that women's minds will be erased like that?"[/orange]

Its from a hadith that i found quite a number of scholars using. Unfortuantely i do not have it right now to show you.  It simply said that a woman's mind will be removed from jealousy and hatred towards her husband and husbands other wives.  It is commonly used so i am surprised you haven't heard of it.

[orange]You said:  "Quran says no such thing nor does it say women will become hoors"[/orange]

I didn't say that. I said that the women will be made the head of the hoors or i think the word they used in the hadiths was [orange]mistress[/orange] of the hoors.  Oh and dont worry i know that hoors are a new creation.

[orange]you said "Is it wrong that men desire women[/orange]? [orange]Is that immoral or impure[/orange]?"

I think it is wrong to view them as just objects of desire and in perverted ways.  I think its only because of how this world has become corrupted with women and sex, which is being advertised everywhere, that men mostly view women as intimate objects and nothing else.  I feel this is why men view hoors in the same way and want the evil desires that are in this world.  Like i said it is perfectly natural for one to desire an intimate relationship and however much they would want it, but i believe the hoors are more then that as well.  Do you find anything wrong with hoors being your companions as well?  Do you find anything wrong with the hoors having modesty?  Do you find anything wrong with the intimate relationships in paradise being of modesty and purity?

[orange]you said "Does it say only good desires will be granted and evil will not be granted? No."[/orange]

At first i thought it wasn't necessary to provide any direct proof because i was trying to apply the good values we were taught here, i thought it to be logical and common sense but fair enough, its completley understandable that you would like to see proof in some form to back up my views on only good desires being granted in paradise and not bad desires.  You have every right to ask that and it is very wise to do so too.  I will get back to you on that, and will also try and find the hadiths on womens minds being removed from jealousy as well as becoming the head of the hoors.

Lastly, as much as i dont agree with your views entirely, at least we both agree that hoors are for both men and women according to our sources of info eventhough our view on hoors are somewhat differenet.

Edited by: mikai on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:36 PM[/quote]

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