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[quote]Asa wb

Hello Loveall, I really appreciated your answer; it actually put a smile on my face. [:)]  It means a lot to me when someone agrees with my points or sees logical points being made.  This is what I was attempting to achieve, I am truly trying to be sincere and logical in my answers, not only because of personal desires or something.

Can you please tell me whether you are a sister or a brother?  Sorry because I am not sure!!! [xx(]

[blue]Quote:  I appreciate you but what about the other women who put their eyebrows at the furrowed forehead, failing repeatedly, to convince the men while on contrary your single post proved to be a casting vote. Although a different topic, Can you please help me in this regard by the way?[/blue]

Well I guess it depends what questions those ladies put forward to those men, and how far they take the discussion with them.

So far I have seen sisters asking a simple question on hoors and then just leave it as that.  They never take it further with those male scholars.  This doesn’t necessarily mean that the women accept their answers and are happy, it could be that due to lack of knowledge and having so much dependence on the scholars, they just grind their teeth and keep quite about it because they don’t know how to discuss it further.  So who knows how they actually feel about it? [V]

It was the same with me.  When I first looked up hoors, I was so dependent on scholars that I never thought they would be wrong.  I was also new to learning about Islam in depth that I really did rely on their answers without having to do research myself.[xx(]

What kept me quite on the hoor issue was with the way some scholars responded.  They said these are the commands of Allah Swt so don’t dare go against Him. What else can a sister do but feel worried and scared that she might be going against God? [:(]

I was truly disturbed by their responses. Their opinions on hoors upset me deeply but for the sake of Allah Swt I kept quiet and tried to accept that this is the way Allah Swt wants it.  But honestly I always had a problem with it and prayed that their opinions were wrong.  I always look for logical answers with reasoning behind them but I just couldn’t see it in those scholars’ answers regarding hoors.  Their answers would just get more bizarre and one sided. [xx(]

What surprises me is that these scholars cannot be open-minded or even try to understand our points.  They act like they believe that their answers are 100% correct, and we are just non intelligent beings who have no right to ask questions simply because we are not scholars. [:(]

As far as I believe Islam is a religion of logic and reason.  These are the 2 of the main factors that make Islam differ from other religions.  For e.g. why do more women convert to Islam these days? - Because of the rights they get.  Why is alcohol haram? - Because of its toxic effects on the human body.  It’s our very nature to apply logic and reason to issues, and this is why we see Islam to be the truth.  You do not have to be a scholar to know what is right and wrong, you just need average intelligence and knowledge. Scholars are they to guide us......right[?]

So regarding hoors if we were to look at the Holy Qur’an alone, which are the preserved words of Allah Swt, hoors are companions/spouses for the believers.
Scholars get the idea that hoors are female from hadiths and personally as much as I respect the Sunnah, it cannot compare to the authencity of the Holy Qur’an.  The Holy Qur’an is the word of God and is for both believing men and women.  Allah Swt says He treats both men and women with equality.  Therefore if Allah Swt says men will get a special reward which is hoors then either these hoors are for women too or Allah Swt would have mentioned what special reward women will get in the Holy Qur’an too so women are not left out. [^] 
 
So all I can say is that these hadiths, which say hoors are for men alone, contradict with Allah Swt saying that He treats men and women with equality, because it is not shown in the Holy Quran, our main source of guidance.

Lastly scholars say that women are told what they get in paradise in hadiths, but how can hadiths compare to the Holy Quran, the preserved words of God?

Well i think i better stop, sorry for making this long.  Oh and i want to emphasise that i am not going against the whole sunnah or something. [:D][/quote]

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