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[quote][font=Comic Sans MS]Asa wb

I dont think you are getting my point.  Opologies if im wrong.  But brother your replies are actually insulting and i feel they are done intentionally.  There is a way of replying without insulting anybody.  We have to remember we are all Muslim sisters and brothers here.

Let me give you an e.g.

[red]Quote from my reply earlier:  Adam must have said to her, "i know better than you, i have more intelligence!!!"[/red]

I simply used Adam and Eve's story as an indication that they may have the same level of intellect and intelligence.  You should notice that by mentioning this i did not try to [blue]degrade[/blue] men but try to show men and women being seen on the same level.  If Eve truly had the same level of intellect as Adam then Adam obviously wouldn't feel belittled because Eve is the same as him not [blue]better[/blue] than him.[/font=Comic Sans MS]

[font=Comic Sans MS]But when you replied:

[red]If you are taking the example of Adam (Aleh salam) why you do not say Adam was made by God himself directly but Eve not like that, and asked angels to do Sajda to Adam but not Eve. Moreover creation of Adam primary but that of Eve secondary and His disobedience due to Eve primary and Adam secondary.[/red]

I personally felt that you were taking it further by implying that Allah Swt also [red]favoured[/red] men over women because according to you men are blessed with more intellect and intelligence by Allah Swt.

As far as i know Allah Swt has not given reasons behind why Adam was created first and not Eve, why angels were asked to prostrate to him and not Eve, and why he was created directly and not Eve.  What is important here is that Allah Swt did not say that He did it this way because he favoured Adam above Eve or  because Adam has more intelligence and intellect.  So it doesnt bother me at all.  It was just the order He wanted to do it in, big deal.  Remember in the Holy Qur'an it says that Allah Swt sees men and women equally.

All that is valuable to me is that Allah Swt created me, it doesnt matter how and when.  What is important is that Allah Swt gave a part of Him (His spirit...?)to both men and women, i can't remember the actual verse from the Holy Qu'ran but it was something like that.

The next thing i noted was that you brought up a whole list of things about women, like their menstruation cycles and child birth etc.  Again you used these in a way to show women being less favoured than men and personally i felt that you were indicating that Allah Swt was punishing them.  Correct me if im wrong.

Lastly when we reply to your comments you reply back using our form of answers as an indication that we definently have less intelligence/intellect then men.  I personally feel this is insulting because you seem to be indicatiing that our intelligence/intellect is not just lower than men but even lower that we cannot discuss issues or even have the capability of understanding at all even if we tried.
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OK you obviously see us as being ignorant and find our views and opinions baseless because basing our answers on the Holy Quran and reality is not enough.  I repect that areas of study on human beings also play some part which is where you seem to be mainly coming from.  So i would like to know more.

You mentioned psycology, so i will start there.  Are you a graduate in Psycology?  If not then to what levels do you understand psycology and if you dont mind, what are you studying these days?  I think in another thread you said you were a doctor right?

I would like to get your answers first and then i will ask my next questions to learn more.[/font=Comic Sans MS]

Edited by: mikai on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:15 PM

Edited by: mikai on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:23 PM[/quote]

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