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[quote]In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Hello! Mr. Oosman, QUOTE: You keep saying that but you have failed to provide any scientific research work or publication to prove this statement of yours. What a nonsense statement is? I gave you the links, just after your link, because it was easy for you to click and find the answer otherwise any Textbook and journal of Psychology/Psychiatry will give you the compact answer more than your expectations. Well, I am wondered to know such a folly of yours. QUOTE: Please remember that the argument here is not that men and women have the same minds or not. We all know they are different. The debate is that are the women intellectually deprived over men? My argument is that despite having different brains and different approaches to tackling the problem, the female brain and male brain are equally proficient at cognition and posses similar intellectual abilities. There is no scientific evidence to the contrary. QUOTE: I agree it is not same brain. The debate is whether the male and female minds have same intellectual and cognitive abilities or not. QUOTE: My argument is that despite having different brains and different approaches to tackling the problem, the female brain and male brain are equally proficient at cognition and posses similar intellectual abilities. In one of my posts earlier I said, “Exceptions may be there but in general, the higher mental or intellectual functions does not mean to obtain marks 950 out of 1000 but comprise concentration, memory, intelligence and decision making (See Davidson and Oxford Text books) and the latter is poor in women than men”. And in this light how can you interpret the following two paragraphs of the links I have given? 1. One of the most interesting differences appear in the way men and women estimate time, judge speed of things, carry out mental mathematical calculations, orient in space and visualize objects in three dimensions, etc. IN ALL THESE TASKS, women and men are strikingly different; WITH MANY MORE MALES, as they are too in the way their brains process language. ON THE OTHER HAND, women are better than men in human relations, recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, esthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks. For example, women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men. 2. “Other research suggests that, on average, the female brain performs better on some skills while the MALE BRAIN EXECUTES OTHER TASKS AT A HIGHER LEVEL. For example, tests show that women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men. On the other hand, MEN USUALLY PERFORM BETTER on tests that require the ability to mentally rotate an image in ORDER TO SOLVE A PROBLEM” (decision making which is a vital component affecting various deeds in our lives.) Are you a Lakeer ka Faqir and want the answer in a compact sentence i.e. “Men are more intellectual than women” like your understanding for example any one can harm others with one’s foot because Shariah does not mention foot anywhere but only hands and tongue? Isn’t it? If you can not understand, I suggest you to please acquire the eligibility, fulfil the requirements, get proper training in the research methodology, then come and sit across the table to debate, and if you have done the all, calculate the values of your link and the let me know mathematically (vide infra) first then Inshallah I will do the same to show you the same. QUOTE: I cannot take your word for it. I have never asked you to take my words but have addressed the other people all over the world. So go ahead in the world, if you do not fail and do others throw your views in a huge dustbin. QUOTE: Regarding the authority you mentioned. God is only authority. To some extent, He bestows upon His people as well. QUOTE: Give me some research work evidence of scientists. What do you mean by scientists? Define “scientists” then I will, Inshaallah answer your question like that of the students of primary class. QUOTE: I feel that you are trying to attack me. Why do you feel so? I am not attacking you but keeping the other people, all over the world, aware of the subject. QUOTE: I am offended by this. According to my experience here, any one who does not get the answer what he/she has already forged in his/her mind, retches out to be feeling offended. Why so? I am sick of this word (offence) to see repeatedly everywhere. Some individuals are habitual of using this word while they themselves do the same. By the way, what are you to be not apposed by anyone? If you feel offended what do you think about me not offended more than you? QUOTE: Where the law is given for testimony of one man equal to two women. Read Quran after fulfilling all the criteria- purification/cleanliness etc, you may surely find the answer. Regarding the matter (2: 282), you have been disagreeing vehemently with some one in some other forum, now here you are in the opposite direction. What is the reason? I can show you the link. QUOTE: Allah knows who has more knowledge. Yes, Allah really knows. If a person like you who do not know even definition (scientific NOT common language because we are touching now the scientific facts) of intellect how can proceed further to know or interpret the facts. So I suggest you once again to please obtain the eligibility, fulfil the requirements, get proper training in the research methodology, then come and sit across the table to debate. QUOTE: There is no contradiction about the statements of Dr. Witelson. QUOTE: I have already provided my evidence from Dr Witelson's work, and she says that both men and women have similar capabilities to solve problems, even though they have different approaches of doing that. QUOTE: Your Turn Such things are NOT NEW for me but for the laymen and laywomen like you. Mind it, the link favours my arguments not yours if you know something about the research methodology. You misunderstood it like some advertisements on the TV, newspapers etc which dazzle the common men and common women but not the technical ones who laugh. If you are really dazzled by the work of Dr Witelson who has NO defence at all in the world contact her (if alive) or her associates to provide the following information to let me know the facts mathematically because you have started first and do proceed on the scientific methods exclusively then Inshaalah I will do the same. First is your turn because you have provided the link first. See below and come on, if you have indulged yourself deliberately in the scientific methods. 1. Name and address (mailing & email) of the person under the supervision of whom the study was conducted……………………… 2. Type of the study…………………… 3. Material & method of the study…….. 4. Locality of the persons………………. 5. Estimated duration of the study……… 6. Actual duration of the study…………. 7. Total number of the persons ………… 8. Mean age of the persons …………… 9. Median age of the persons:………….. 10. Total Number of males ……………… 11. Total Number of females …………… 12. Race of the persons…………………… 13. Occupation of the persons …………… 14. Religions of the persons …………….. 15. Education of the persons……………. 16. Marital status of the persons ………… 17. Children……………………………… 18. Details of the children………………. 19. Spouse (Alive or dead)……………… 20. Parents (Alive or dead)………………. 21. Any physical disease among the persons… 22. Any addiction among the persons …… 23. How many did need any medical help?… 24. Any history of accident………………. 25. Any history of operation……………… 26. The Tests used………………………… 27. Sensitivity and specificity of the tests… 28. Mental state findings………………….. 29. Cause of death………………………… 30. Duration between death and autopsy….. 31. True positive (relevant to the autopsy)… 32. False positive …………………………. 33. True negative…………………………. 34. False negative………………………… 35. Formulae applied……………………… 36. ABSTRACT………………………….. 37. DISCUSSIONS………………………. 38. BIBLIOGRAPHY……………………. 39. Any others…………………………….. 40. Name of the Health journals where published (with Vol, Year & page No)…………I have read about the journal with NO detail required. The above information must be in separate columns for the males and the female. I take your lamb interpretation of the work of your link NO more than a big zero if you do not proceed scientifically and answer properly as above. Now it is your turn: You are requested to recite the same Quranic verse. Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided. Quran 16.125. Allah Hafiz! Edited by: Loveall on Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:43 PM[/quote]
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