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[quote]Cont.,..P/2 Quote:.Therefore, it is proved that Almighty Allah does not send scriptures through all messengers. Also this verse(57:25) does not say about ALL MESSENGERS. 1. No both have not been given books e.g. 3:81. No the terms prophets and messenger are not same thing Reply: Allah sent scriptures to all the messengers and prophets too, but sometimes messengers and prophets come first to deliver their message and after that scriptures are given, as Mosa was given book later. But they start delivering their messages as soon as they receive inspiration. My Quote: y ? , was he not a human when he delivered God’s message? Or became angel during delivering the words of God. Ur REPLY:- Because then he did not speak out of his personal desire. (53:2-5). Brother please read Qur’an carefully and try to understand It before arguing with me. Reply: Brother I read, therefore I asked u, as u deliberately do not want to give reply that it may cause more trouble for u then it is ok. I do not mind. Brother if I understood then y I did trouble u knowledgeable person. By the way those who lead or betray others will get reward from HIS lord. Remember! My Quote : it means u agree that when he judges right, we are bound to obey him?, then what this obediency is of Prophet Muhammad as personal. Your REPLY:- This verse addressed to those women who seek Asylum with Muhammad. Muhammad is not alive now. Also no one can obey him now as personal. We can only obey his message i.e. Qur’an. Reply: Brother first tell me that u agree, that Either there was obediency of Muhammad as personal for the people or not? Then inshallah we will discuss how a past person can be obeyed or not. Quote: I have already said all about the subject. Messengers who do not bring a new scripture promote the previous scripture. They reform the distortions and invite their people to monotheism with wisdom and evidence. Reply: Any reference from the Quran, that messengers who do not receive scriptures promote the previous scripture, where I do not still see the difference b/w messengers who received scripture & those who do not received scriptures, if Allah mention any messenger name without any scripture, u people think that they were not given scriptures, but in several places it is said that HE gave them scriptures. Quote: "God took a covenant from the PROPHETS, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. AFTERWARDS, a MESSENGER will come to CONFIRM all existing scriptures…” Reply: Brother first of all, u replace the word “YE” with “ all existing scripture” to add the Book “Quran” in this circle, but it is not so, Quran itself does not come in this circle, see the translation of other scholars. Yousaf Ali (3:81)Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an apostle, CONFIRMING WHAT IS WITH YOU; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." Pickthal (3:81) When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, CONFIRMING THAT WHICH YE POSSESS. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you M.H shakir (3:81) 81 And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom-- then an messenger comes to you verifying that WHICH IS WITH YOU, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am of the bearers of witness with you. So ur first whim is cut here that u think, that Quran comes in this circle itself and a new messenger will come to confirm all scriptures including Quran, but actually it is not so, this is Quran which confirms all scriptures before it. See verse: (5:48), (2:41),(2:88) (5:48) And unto thee have WE REVEALED THE SCRIPTURE WITH THE TRUTH, CONFIRMING WHATEVER SCRIPTURE WAS BEFORE IT, and a watcher over it. (2:41) And believe in that which I reveal, CONFIRMING THAT WHICH YE POSSESS ALREADY (OF THE SCRIPTURE), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me. (2:88) And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, CONFIRMING THAT IN THEIR POSSESSION - THOUGH BEFORE that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved …… So brother leave making whims, therefore I say to u, that u say we are whimsical but ACTUALLY U R A BIG WHIMICAL URSELF. Quote: Moreover, Muhammad did not come to confirm the scriptures. He came to deliver a new scripture i.e. Qur’an. So he was not the messenger about whom this verse 3:81 says. Reply: Oh my God?, Brother Quran it self confirms all previous scripture, Matter is not so as u think, that All SCRIPTURES including Quran is concerned to confirm, the sentence meaning is that ‘ A MESSENGER WILL COME WHO CONFIRMS WHICH (YE) PREVIOUS PROPHETS BROUGHT, Quran is not of those but it will be Quran which will confirm previous. See See verse: (5:48), (2:41),(2:88),(2:97) Cnt..P/3[/quote]
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