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[quote][quote] But for other who already conclude that the ahadith what we have today are not reliable without having any expertise on it,there is nothing for them, may be further misguidence I am afraid. [/quote] Rightly guided and knowldgeable. For someone who refuses to believe what the Quran tells him regarding hadith. [quote] 4. Writing The fourth way of preserving of ahâdîth was writing. Quite a large number of the companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) reduced the ahâdîth to writing after hearing them from the Holy Prophet (pbuh). [/quote] Ok let us see the evidence you have presented: [quote] It is true that in the beginning the Holy Prophet (pbuh) had [b]forbidden some of his companions from writing [/b] anything other than the verses of the Holy Qur’ân. [/quote] Only some of his companions. This is a new one. Do you mean he allowed some and banned others? [quote] However, this prohibition was not because the ahâdîth had no authoritative value, but because the Holy Prophet (pbuh) had in the same breath ordered them to narrate his ahâdîth orally. The full text of the relevant hadîth is as follows: Do not write (what you hear) from me, and whoever has written something (he heard) from me, he should erase it. Narrate to others (what you hear) from me; and whoever deliberately attributes a lie to me, he should prepare his seat in the Fire.” [Sahih Muslim] [/quote] Really! This is the actual wording of the hadith: Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me [b]except the Quran[/b], he should erase that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me-and Hammam said: I think he also said:" deliberately" -he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire (Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Chapter 17, Number 7147). You guys cannot even be relied on to quote your own evidence correctly. [quote] The underlined phrase of the hadîth clarifies that prohibition for writing hadîth was not on account of negating its authority. The actual reason was that in the beginning of the revelation of the Holy Qur’ân, the companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) were not fully familiar with the Qur’ânic style, nor was the Holy Qur’ân compiled in a separate book form. In those days some companions began to write the ahâdîth along with the Qur’ânic text. Some explanations of the Holy Qur’ân given by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) were written by some of them mixed with the Qur’ânic verses without any distinction between the two. It was therefore feared that it would lead to confuse the Qur’ânic text with the ahâdîth. [/quote] Are you seriousouly suggesting that it would have caused less confusion to memorise the sayings and actions then to write them down! [quote] It was in this background that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) stopped this practice and ordered that anything written other than the Holy Qur’ân should be rubbed or omitted. [/quote] Your logic (or excuses) are astonishing. [quote] It should be kept in mind that in those days there was a great shortage of writing paper [/quote]. Wow! Well that explains it all. Shortage of paper! Anyhow i thought it was not to cause any confusion between the Quran. I thought if there was shortage of paper the prophet could simply said sorry chaps wait till we have some paper then write them down. [quote] For these reasons the Holy Prophet (pbuh) directed his companions to abstain from writing the ahâdîth and to confine their preservation to the first three ways which were equally reliable as discussed earlier. Even the verses of the Holy Qur’ân used to be written on pieces of leather, on planks of wood, on animal bones and sometimes on stones. It was much difficult to compile all those things in a book form, and if the ahâdîth were also written in the like manner it would be more difficult to distinguish between the writings of the Holy Qur’ân and those of the ahâdîth. The But all this was in the earlier period of his prophethood. When the companions became fully conversant of the style of the Holy Qur’ân and writing paper became available, this transitory measure of precaution was taken back, because the danger of confusion between the Qur’ân and the hadîth no longer existed. [/quote] Truly amazing hypothesis. How about another one...The earlier followers had arthritis and found it difficult to write hence the prophet forbade them for writing anything until more younger fitter followers came along... i mean why not it is as good excuse as the one you guys seem to be conjuring up as you go along. [quote] At this stage, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself directed his companions to write down the ahâdîth. Some of his instructions in this respect are quoted below: [/quote] OK lets see [quote] 1. One companion from the Ansâr complained to the Holy Prophet (pbuh) that he hears from him some ahâdîth, but he sometimes forgets them. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said: “Seek help from your right hand,” and pointed out to a writing. [Jâmi’ Tirmidhi] 2. Râfi’ ibn Khadij (RA ), the famous companion of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) says, “I said to the Holy Prophet (pbuh) [that] we hear from you many things, should we write them down?” He replied: You may write. There is no harm. [Tadrîb-ur-Râwi] 3. Sayyiduna Anas (RA) reports that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) has said: Preserve knowledge by writing. [Jâmi’-ul-Bayân] 4. Sayyiduna Abu Râfi’ (RA) sought permission from the Holy Prophet (pbuh) to write ahâdîth. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) permitted him to do so. [Jâmi’ Tirmidhi] It is reported that the ahâdîth written by Abu Râfi’ (RA ) were copied by other companions too. Salma, a pupil of Ibn ‘Abbâs (RA) says: I saw some [b]small wooden [/b] boards with ‘Abdullâh Ibn ‘Abbâs. He was writing on them some reports of the acts of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) which he acquired from Abu Râfi’. [Tabaqât Ibn Sa’d] 5. ‘Abdullâh ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Âs (RA) reports that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) said to him: Preserve knowledge. He asked, “and how should it be preserved?” The Holy Prophet (pbuh) replied, “by writing it.” [Mustadrik Hâkim; Jâmi’-ul-Bayân] In another report he says, “I came to the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and told him, ‘I want to narrate your ahâdîth. So, I want to take assistance of my handwriting besides my heart. Do you deem it fit for me?’ The Holy Prophet (pbuh) replied, ‘If it is my hadîth you may seek help from your hand besides your heart.” [Sunan Dârimi] 6. It was for this reason that he used to write ahâdîth frequently. He himself says, I used to write whatever I heard from the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and wanted to learn it by heart. Some people of the Quraysh dissuaded me and said, “Do you write everything you hear from the Holy Prophet (pbuh), while he is a human being and sometimes he may be in anger as any other human beings may be?” [Sunan Abu Dâwûd] They meant that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) might say something in a state of anger which he did not seriously intend. So, one should be selective in writing his ahâdîth. ‘Abdullâh ibn ‘Amr conveyed their opinion to the Holy Prophet (pbuh). In reply, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) pointed to his lips and said, I swear by the One in whose hands is the soul of Muhammad: nothing comes out from these two (lips) except truth. So, do write. [Sunan Abu Dâwud; Tabaqât ibn Sa’d; Mustadrik-ul-Hâkim] It was a clear and absolute order given by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) to write each and every saying of his without any hesitation or doubt about its authoritative nature. In compliance to this order, ‘Abdullâh ibn ‘Amr wrote a large number of ahâdîth and compiled them in a book form which he named, “al-Sahîfah al-Sadîqah.” Some details about this book shall be discussed later on, inshâ-Allâh. 7. During the conquest of Makkah (8 A.H.), the Holy Prophet (pbuh) delivered a detailed sermon containing a number of Sharî’ah imperatives, including human rights. One Yemenite person from the gathering, namely, Abu Shah, requested the Holy Prophet (pbuh) to provide him the sermon in a written form. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) thereafter ordered his companions as follows: Write it down for Abu Shah. [Sahîh-ul-Bukhâri] [/quote] Please, at least, keep you excuses consistent...I thought there was shortage of paper earlier on or was there shortage of wooden boards as well. I mean was there plenty of supply of paper later on to lift the original ban. Supposing new paper factories alleviated the problem. Did no one care to ask the prophet that you banned something earlier and why have you now changed your mind or why do you think something of such magnitude would not be explained by the prophet or no would question him on this U-Turn? [quote] These seven examples are more than sufficient to prove that the writing of ahâdîth was not only permitted but also ordered by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and that the earlier bar against writing was only for a transitory period to avoid any possible confusion between the verses of the Holy Qur’ân and the ahâdîth. After this transitory period the fear of confusion ended, the bar was lifted and the companions were persuaded [b]to preserve ahâdîth in a written form.[/b] [/quote] Well it is again, like the whole lot ofhadith, is rather contradictory isn't? You guys accept he banned writing of these hadith and then come up with half baked excuses to justify the written form...without the slightest evidence from the prophet saying well you know guys I have now changed my mind. Somehow I dont think you will see this as an obvious contradiction as you quite happily ignore countless other contradictions by using the lame excuse of weak hadith (whatever that means) and also are happy to accept something divine in which the prophet is described as a: paedophile, cruel, indulging in endless sexual activity amongst many other disgusting things. regards[/quote]
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