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[quote]Walaykum Salam brother Waseem Quote:-If we say that we can formulate deen or finds rules and regulations about deen from Ahadith, then what about the Qur'an? Why has Allah adressed the Qur'an as the Meezan, Furqaan and Burhaan and muhaeman. Brother we need to believe in whole Quran not only that part which pleases us.Have a look on the following verses of Quran. Since Allah gave the authority to the Prophet(pbuh) that he can make things unlawful and can make things law full,so it’s a very important issue for a true Muslim.Certainly one would like to know what is permissible for him and what is not.The only source for that is Ahadith who bids them to the Fair and forbids them the Unfair, and makes lawful for them the good things, and makes unlawful for them the impure things.(Al-Airaf) Qoute:-Qur'an is divine, how can we compare that with hadith that is the interpretation of a person according to his knowledge, background, mental ability and understanding. Quran also reached to us by the same people,remember that there were not used to a written Quran with every one like now a days we have. Quote:-Then we have to trace the authencity in chains of people over generations. We have discussed before that in the same class or in a lecture, if you have 50 students, and you ask them after the lecture what they understood, they may come to different conclusions on what the teacher may have meant. You people are confused, its seems to me from above that for you each and every hadith is not reliable,is it so?The following verses of Quran clearly showing that how important and madautery it is to follow the Prophet(pbuh).To do so the ahadith is the only source. Say: Obey Allâh and the Messenger, but if they turn their backs, Allâh loves not the disbelievers. (3:32) And obey Allâh and the Messenger so that you may be blessed. (3:132) So fear Allâh and set things right between you, and obey Allâh and His Messenger if you are believers. (8:1) O those who believe, obey Allâh and His Messenger and do not turn away from him, while you are listening. (8:20) Say: Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger; then, if you turn away, upon him rests what is laid on him, and upon you rests what is laid on you. If you obey him, you will be guided. (24:54) So establish salaah and pay zakaah and obey Allâh and His Messenger. (58:13) And whoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has won a great success. (33:71) And whoever obeys the Messenger, thereby obeys Allâh. (4:80) And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger and transgresses His limits, He shall admit him to Fire where he shall remain forever. (4:14) And whoever makes a breach with Allâh and His Messenger, then Allâh is severe in punishment. (8:13) And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. (33:36) And if you obey him (the Prophet), you shall find the right path. (24:54) And he (the Prophet (pbuh) does not speak out of his own desire. It is not but a revelation revealed (to him). (53:3-4) I have already quoted a large number of verses from the Holy Qur’ân which enjoin the obedience of Allâh and the Messenger (pbuh) upon the believers. This “obedience” has nowhere been limited to some particular field. It is an all-embracing obedience which requires total submission from the believers, having no exception whatsoever. Quote:-Another question is that the Prophet Pbuh made efforts to get the Qur'an written, it was taken further by Abu Baker and usman rta. If our deen and shariah was to be formulated through hadith then why did these people make no efforts to have ahadith written down as they did about Qur'an. Brother its Allah who select the people to do the job of deen and there is always Hikmah in that.How important were the words of Prophet(pbuh) for each and every sahabi that they never make in differences between the two.If you study the history of sahabah so you will know it.The proity of sahabah was to spread the deen as much they can but following the ahadith was a must for them. As far as the the hikmah is concerned what I can see from my little knowledge of deen is that there were about 1,25,000.sahabah and Prophet(pbuh)has spoken with many of them.Even though the work of collecting the ahadlth was already begun after the death of Prophet(pbuh) but it was not eassy for them to collect the ahadith form all sahabah. Individually many sahabah did it.Today what we have the collection of ahadith is contributed by more than 10,000 shabah.The collection and compilation of ahaith carried out by many people throughout the first four centuries of Islamic history.They traveled where they thought that they could find some ahadith. Qoute:-Are we saying that nouzobillah Allah gave us half the shariah in the Qur'an and then said find the rest in Hadith. Brother your basic concepts are not even clear.The basis of sharia are 1)Quran 2)Sunnah 3)Ijma 4)Qiyas. Quote:-How can a human manuscript be equal to the divine Qur'an?as mentioned above Allah has defined the authencity and the place of Qur'an in the Qur'an. Where has the Qur'an mentioned that we seek guidance from man written ahadith. Again you are showing here that how confuse you are as far hadith is concerned.I know you love hadith, then why you are ascribing wrong things to Quran.Read the many verses of Quran which I have quoted above. Qoute:-If every word , action and deed of prophet is sunnah, then I am afraid the prophet pbuh does not remain a human being, he then becomes divine like Jesus in Christianity. Not every word and deed but what ever Prophet(pbuh) said or acted for the following of Ummah is Sunnah. Quote:-Why does the Qur'an corrects the prophet Pbuh.? When he is being hasty is getting the verses of the Qur'an. Yes Allah said this to Prophet(pbuh) but it is not any way we can presume that what ever Prophet(pbuh) said to His sahabah for their following and for following of ummah is become void.These verses are not saying that. Quote:-If every word, action, deed of the prophet is sunnah. Then are we saying riding a camel and horse is sunnah, living in tent is sunnah.fighting with a sword is sunnah, so we should not use guns. We should only wear what the prophet used to wear, is that sunnah. What ever Prophet(buh) said,acted for the following of Ummah is Sunnah.Here one need to use his brain not where you are using. Quote:-Hadith provides explanation, historical record of the life of prophet pbuh and also his uswa. In my humble opinion it does not add to the core content of our religion. If ahadith are so irreliable as you said then why one use them for this as well? Quote:-In my humble opinion. sunnah are those Sunnah literally means well trodden path in Arabic. Sunnah are those Abrahamic practices and rituals that were adopted and revived by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), in some cases after modifications and additions, and instituted among his followers as integral part of God's religion. Sunnan (plural of Sunnah) are practical activities and have been transferred and established by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), as part of the practices of God's religion, through practical demonstration to his Companions. From the companions, these practices have been transmitted uninterrupted through successive generations of Muslims with consensus (Ijma) and practical perpetuation (tawaatur) to date. People of this website may give you 100% the way you discribe the Sunnah.But I am afraid not Allah.Because you are using you mind here and not following the clear instructions of Allah and his Prophet(pbuh).[/quote]
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