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[quote]Lognac I did not disappear but was looking into ‘Ijma’ and so read a few articles and asked scholars for knowledge (hkhan I did seek advice from studying-Islam query and this is what I received [blue]“The doctrine of ijma stands on fragile grounds. It has no basis in religion. Imam Ibn Taymiyah for example differed from the four imams in 31 issues, and similarly there were many scholars who were differed with him later. There are several examples in which the companions differed from one another in the interpretation of verses and criticized each other in a healthy manner. Thus we see Ayesha (rta) rebuking Ibn 'Umar (rta) for his views about the punishment in the grave of a deceased person. In religion the real thing is the arguments a view carries and not how many people who subscribe to a view. When the Prophet (sws) was called to prophethood, it was this age old fallacious argument of ijma of the forefathers which was given to him by the Quraysh: he was told that he was going against the established ijma in matters of religion of his ancestors. The Prophet of course did not accept this argument.”[/blue] From another scholar this is what I received [red]“In Shari'ah there 4 guiding sources: Qur'an, Hadith, Qiyas (anology) and Ijma(consensus). There is another one which is most important and most neglected, that is called'IJTIHAD' or innovative opinion. Argument based on Ijma is very weak and fragile.”[/red] From an article which is very long this is what I got [limegreen]"The problem with ijma begins with the definition of the term. There is no ijma (consensus) on the definition of ijma (consensus). Careful scrutiny of the literature bears this point out. Interestingly, the issue of the definition of ijma was not raised until the time of Imam Shafi'i (d. 204 AH). Even the 4th century scholar Abu Bakr al-Jassas (d. 370 AH) did not provide definition. By the end of 4th century attempts by various scholars to deal with the definition of ijma begin to appear. These are discussed in detail by Hasan (2003).[1] Abul Husayn al-Basri (d. 436 AH): "Agreement of a group (jama'ah) on a certain matter of by action or abandonment." Imam Al-Ghazali (d. 1111 AH): "Agreement of the community of Muhammad on a religious point." Al-Amidi: (d. 1233): "Agreement of all the people of binding and loosing who belong to the community of Muhammad, in a certain period of time, on a rule about a certain incidence." Based on the various definitions of the term, four broad aspects of an ijma can be identified. Interestingly, there is no ijma (consensus) about any of these four aspects: • Whose agreement constitutes ijma? • What competence should the constituent group minimally have? • What time period does an ijma cover? • What subject matters fall within the scope of ijma? At this point, it is worthwhile exploring in greater detail: Whose agreement constitutes ijma? "According to the orthodox view, ijma is the unanimous agreement of the community or of the scholars."[1] Notably, the orthodox view above fails to agree on whether it is the consensus of the entire community or the consensus of the scholars that is specified. According to Imam Shafi'i, an ijma is not an ijma unless it is of the entire community." Source: The Doctrine of Ijma: Is there a consensus? By Dr. Mohammad Omar Farooq[/limegreen] This is all that I received on Ijma. We are all mature adults and realize our responsibilities and understand the consequences of our actions hkhan has already answered her stance and I will repeat mine I don’t think modesty of a woman is compromised if she does not cover her head , I have seen women around me working doing jobs as doctors bankers economists teachers who are modestly dressed and yet don’t cover their heads they have the respect of their colleagues and no one will criticize them as being immodest. Then there are women who are students home makers social workers going about their daily lives none look immodest in comparison to women who cover their head. Hkhan I do agree with you on this and I quote [brown]]“people may differ upon the definition of what is proper. in this regards, our parents and the society in general does help us decide what is proper; our conscience no doubt also facilitates us in choosing what is right.”[/brown] I also agree with you and I quote [brown]“the ultimate aim of the religion is the purification of the soul; towards this end it urges and guides its followers. but this purification is not merely an abstract thing. our outer being plays a major role in achievement of this end; and therefore the choice of ‘forms’ is essentially important to retain and nourish the substance. hence proper dress code is a fundamental thing for cleansing and purifying our soul." [/brown] The ultimate aim is purification of the soul but less and less people seem to be working towards it ,this may be due to the fact that it takes hard work and consistent dialogue to firmly imbed values. Saying all this I will withdraw myself from this forum because I have said what all I had to say and I don’t want it to sound like a debate for the sake of debate, I sincerely believe in all this that I have said. Edited by: saba2 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:33 PM[/quote]
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